May 27, 2005

NOTHING TO OFFER BUT DEAD MUSLIMS:


Iraqi bombers claim they were deceived
(QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHARA, 5/27/05, Associated Press)

Wisam Younis' sole ambition in life, he said Friday, is to kill Americans. So he claimed surprise when he discovered his car bomb had killed eight Iraqis and wounded more than 80 outside a Baghdad restaurant.

Younis and brothers Badr and Yassin Shakir are charged with murder and face the death penalty in the May 23 attack.

"We did not know that the attack would target innocent people and we were deceived," said Younis, barefooted and with bruised and swollen hands. He said they were taken in by enthusiastic ideas and money, adding that an insurgent leader promised $1,500 for the bombing.

"Our doctrine is to wage jihad against the Americans," Younis, wearing a stained beige traditional robe, told an Associated Press reporter as police stood over him. "Driving out the occupiers is the demand of all Iraqis... I wish to die in the battlefield instead of prison."

Baghdad police paraded out the three Sunni Arabs to help put a face to an deadly insurgency, and to show that Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari means business with a plan to encircle Baghdad with tens of thousands of security forces.

The display also was meant to reassure a public whose discontent with the Shiite-led government has been high because of its seeming inability to provide security and crush the insurgency.


Hard to believe the kind of nihilism that would use guys like this to kill fellow Muslims has much of a shelf life.

Posted by Orrin Judd at May 27, 2005 10:10 PM
Comments

Well, it's been working for probably 25+ years.

The warped-ness in the (Arab) Muslim world is due in large part to their inability to face the catastrophe of June 1967. The craziness in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and (parts of) Indonesia is due to the weird mix of Islam with tribal traditions, suddenly finding itself in the modern world with TV, cinema, cell phones, and the Internet.

About 6 months ago, there was a story (I believe posted here as well) about a young Saudi who was delivering a car bomb - of course, the controller detonated it with this guy still driving the car. He was horribly burned and now faces a desolate life, full of pain.

As long as they keep finding boys who want glamorous deaths, the nihilism will continue. Kind of like the attitude about war in Europe prior to September 1914, no? And after 4 years of slaughter, all they did was pause to catch their breaths for the next one.

Posted by: jim hamlen at May 28, 2005 12:09 AM

That the actor's choice of victim should be considered material tells us something unpleasant about the way those people think. In our system, intent is transferable. If I lie in wait and intentionally shoot at someone I wish to kill, but miss and slay another, my act is premeditated murder, not involuntary manslaughter, as it would be if I had fired at a deer and recklessly killed a person standing in the line of fire.

Admitting that you premeditatedly acted to treacherously kill Americans but killed Iraqis only in error would hardly be a defense unless the court accepts legitimacy of killiong Americans. I should wish to learn how the Iraqi court resolves this matter.

Posted by: Lou Gots at May 28, 2005 11:31 AM

That the actor's choice of victim should be considered material tells us something unpleasant about the way those people think. In our system, intent is transferable. If I lie in wait and intentionally shoot at someone I wish to kill, but miss and slay another, my act is premeditated murder, not involuntary manslaughter, as it would be if I had fired at a deer and recklessly killed a person standing in the line of fire.

Admitting that you premeditatedly acted to treacherously kill Americans but killed Iraqis only in error would hardly be a defense unless the court accepts legitimacy of killiong Americans. I should wish to learn how the Iraqi court resolves this matter.

Posted by: Lou Gots at May 28, 2005 11:32 AM

Why shouldn't they be trying to drive the Americans out of their country?

Posted by: oj at May 28, 2005 11:36 AM

That the actor's choice of victim should be considered material tells us something unpleasant about the way those people think. In our system, intent is transferable. If I lie in wait and intentionally shoot at someone I wish to kill, but miss and slay another, my act is premeditated murder, not involuntary manslaughter, as it would be if I had fired at a deer and recklessly killed a person standing in the line of fire.

Admitting that you premeditatedly acted to treacherously kill Americans but killed Iraqis only in error would hardly be a defense unless the court accepts legitimacy of killiong Americans. I should wish to learn how the Iraqi court resolves this matter.

Posted by: Lou Gots at May 28, 2005 11:38 AM

They had the chance to drive the Americans out of their country in honorable, lawful combat. They failed. They may not now pick up the weapons they had cast down in surrender to treacherously strike the Americans in the back. What are you implying, that car bombers are lawful combatants entitled to the privileges of belligerancy?

Your reply is precisely what is troubling about this point. It seems no one knows or cares what law in general or the law of war in particular has to do with what is going on in Iraq.

Posted by: Lou Gots at May 28, 2005 1:42 PM

Yes.

Posted by: oj at May 28, 2005 1:48 PM

The implication seems to be that anything a terroriat does is just peachy because he is too weak to do anything better. If you think that way you may as well send off to Berlitz for the Arabic lessons. I suppose the next thing we'll hear is that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Posted by: Lou Gots at May 28, 2005 7:26 PM

No, they shouldn't target Iraqi civilians. The US military is fair game.

Posted by: oj at May 28, 2005 7:39 PM

If the terrorists want to drive Americans out of "their" countries, why don't they go home and attempt to find some Americans to drive out ?

The Sunnis and Ba'athists may have some moral legitimacy behind their use of car bombs, (although I would disagree), but the foreign merchants of death have none.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at May 29, 2005 2:26 AM

The Law of War, as recognized by the United States has not changed since I was a Marine JAG. The worthy oriental gentlemen delivering the car bombs are war criminals, unlawful combatants, if you will, unless a) they are wearing a uniform, or a visible equivalent of a uniform and b) they are attacking a military target, civilian casulties being only incidental and proportional. The record is that they fail in both regards.

The general rule is that if you cannot fight lawfully, you may not fight at all. Desparation is not a defense. This was the substantive basis of Yamashita's conviction for crimes committed by his subordinates, arguably after he had lost control of them and before any surrender.

Posted by: Lou Gots at May 29, 2005 9:40 PM

We write the law to favor us--to do otherwise would be foolish. To follow the law if you aren't us would likewise be foolish.

Posted by: oj at May 29, 2005 9:46 PM

Obviously we aren't willing to round up and kill the way the British did 80 years ago. Obviously the "insurgents" aren't going to stop (in the short term). Legality would matter if we wanted to start 'fighting' harder, or if the terrorists thought they could convince us to leave (as in Vietnam).

As time goes on, the terrorists will face harsher conditions and more bullets from Iraqis (as well as Americans). The best way to hurt them, however, is to start killing Syrians, just inside their border. Who is Assad going to complain to?

Posted by: jim hamlen at May 30, 2005 12:26 PM
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