April 3, 2005

WHY SHOULD I CARE WHAT THEIR LIVES ARE LIKE?:

Muscular Utopianism: I used to be a liberal interventionist. Now I'm a realist. (DAVID RIEFF, April 3, 2005, Opinion Journal)

In his 2005 State of the Union address, President Bush spoke of America's "generational commitment to the advance of freedom," and predicted that "the victory of freedom in Iraq [would] inspire democratic reformers from Damascus to Tehran." These were sweeping claims, but in the wake of the Iraqi elections and the massive anti-Syrian mobilization in Lebanon even many erstwhile opponents of the war and skeptics about American motives in the Middle East, from Sen. Ted Kennedy to Piero Fassino, the head of one of Italy's main left-wing parties, have conceded that the Bush administration has been proven correct in its fundamental approach. Only within two constituencies, the extreme left and the so-called realists (many of whom served in President Bush's father's administration), has skepticism about both the wisdom of U.S. involvement in Iraq and the prospects for American success continued to predominate.

As someone who in the 1990s would probably have called himself a liberal interventionist, and who has come increasingly aligned with the realist position, I am well aware that this is not a moment when critiques of the triumphalist account of what American power has wrought in the world is likely to win many converts. [...]

[My] doubts have two sources: the actual degree of success the U.S. has attained in Iraq and in the Middle East, and, far more importantly, the wisdom of such engagements, whether or not they succeed.

First, a little proportion about Iraq. Even those who view the country's progress from the most optimistic perspective tend to unite in crediting Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the spiritual leader of Iraq's majority Shiites, with having held the country together and used his commanding authority to legitimize January's democratic elections. Ayatollah Sistani's own medieval views on subjects ranging from Sharia law to the status of women are presented as being of little concern. "You can't get to Thomas Jefferson without first having Martin Luther," is the way the conservative Middle Eastern specialist, Reuel Marc Gerecht, once put it to me.

Historical analogies (and their 300-year lag times) aside, there is at least as compelling an alternate scenario: That what Ayatollah Sistani has done is used the democratic process to secure power for the Shiite community. In other words, that it is less that he and his fellow ayatollahs in Najaf share Washington's project of democratizing the Middle East so much as the Bush administration's commitment to initiate the vast project of a social transformation of a whole region by force of arms happened to dovetail with Shiite political ambitions and that the moment these interests no longer dovetail, it will become clear what kind of Iraqi society American blood and treasure has really brought into being. And that is assuming the war against the insurgency really is being won: The fact that two years after Saddam Hussein's fall the road to the Baghdad airport is still not fully controlled by U.S. forces and Iraq is still importing oil suggests that the outcome is still very much in doubt.

Beyond Iraq, on the broader Middle East, there are also real questions about whether Lebanon is headed for democracy or civil war, and whether the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza will lead to peace or a carve-up of the West Bank that will make a third intifada a virtual certainty in the not too distant future.

But even if all these outcomes are more positive than I expect them to be, after prolonged stays both in Israel-Palestine and postwar Iraq, there is the more fundamental question of whether this "generational commitment to the advance of freedom," to which the Bush administration has committed the country, is a wise or a feasible course. Does the lack of democracy in the world really pose the kind of existential threat to the U.S. that most Americans believed the Soviet empire did during the Cold War?


No. But the Soviets and Nazis and Imperialists didn't pose an existential threat either. We reform the world because we are a Crusader State, not because we fear it.

Posted by Orrin Judd at April 3, 2005 5:51 PM
Comments

At least he's aware that he has a crappy sense of timing.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at April 3, 2005 6:19 PM

The Soviets and Nazis were most certainly an existential threat. It requires a staggering level of historical ignorance not to understand that. The fight against imperialism was sadly one which our domestic brand of racism kept us from joining until the Soviets got the drop on us.

Posted by: bart at April 3, 2005 6:36 PM

Where did they land their troops?

Posted by: oj at April 3, 2005 6:41 PM

ever hear of the V3 ?

Posted by: cjm at April 3, 2005 6:43 PM

Which was going to do what by when?

Posted by: oj at April 3, 2005 6:47 PM

We got the Nazis before they could land any troops, but there certainly was a fully functioning 5th column working in America at the time, people like Fr. Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh and Joe Kennedy.

Anyone familiar with the American college campuses and Hollywood since the 50s knows about Bolshevik penetration of significant areas of American life. And our so-called intelligence services have been little more than the information equivalent of an AYCE smorgasbord for the KGB.

Just because we got rid of them before the tanks were rolling on the NJ Turnpike doesn't mean they weren't a threat.

Posted by: bart at April 3, 2005 6:54 PM

Neither could control what it had taken in Europe. Lindbergh was right.

Posted by: oj at April 3, 2005 8:20 PM

He's Susan Sontag's kid; how much common sense could he start with to begin with.

Posted by: narciso at April 3, 2005 9:19 PM

OJ:

What if Roosevelt kicks the bucket a year earlier and Henry Wallace becomes president? That's not a problem?

Posted by: Matt Murphy at April 3, 2005 9:28 PM

He would have been a bad president but kept us out of the Cold War.

Posted by: oj at April 3, 2005 9:39 PM

Colour me confused. How can you push the idea of being a Crusader state while complaining about all the crusades you got sucked into?

Posted by: Peter B at April 4, 2005 7:06 AM

Peter: If I understand the argument, it is twofold: we need to keep the crusade pure, without any practical benefit to us; and, as a crusade, it was nonsense to go after Germany without going after the USSR.

Posted by: David Cohen at April 4, 2005 8:03 AM

Peter:

That's the point. We go off Crusading even though the wars serve no security interest.

Posted by: oj at April 4, 2005 8:35 AM

What fun.

Posted by: Peter B at April 4, 2005 8:50 AM

Precisely. We do it because we like it.

Posted by: oj at April 4, 2005 8:54 AM

We do it because it's the right thing to do. With great power comes great responsibility.

Posted by: Mike Morley at April 4, 2005 10:11 AM

I'm with Bart on the Marxist threat which, by the way, changed its spots and continues on the prowl here. Didn't have to change its spots in Europe or South America.

Fukuyama was premature. The fat lady has yet to sing.

Posted by: Genecis at April 4, 2005 11:09 AM

Genecis,

It's less important now because they really have no idea what they are, in fact, for. Their Bolshevism has devolved into no more than a tedious juvenile nihilism. Merely criticizing the current policy without even the slightest clue as to how you would replace things makes you no more politically relevant than Bill Maher or Imus.

In Europe and Latin America, it merely fits in with existing corporatist or caudillismo patterns in both places. The difference between Chavez and Peron is pretty small. Statist economic policies and all sorts of dirigisme have been the rage in Europe since Colbert in the 17th century.

Posted by: bart at April 4, 2005 11:28 AM

Yes, we were within inches of Communist Revolution...

Posted by: oj at April 4, 2005 11:51 AM

No one expects the Communist revolution.

Posted by: David Cohen at April 4, 2005 1:50 PM

The Germans did. Thus Hitler.

Posted by: oj at April 4, 2005 2:25 PM

Getting back to the original column, in response to "Does the lack of democracy in the world really pose [an] existential threat to the U.S. ..."

I would ask him what kind of existential threat was posed by slavery in the South. And yet we went to war to end slavery. I guess Mr. Rieff would say that this was an illegal, immoral war, too.

Posted by: fred at April 4, 2005 2:50 PM

david: put him in the...comfy chair. there are three things about the communist revolution, no, four things...

oj: i can't believe you missed the allusion

Posted by: cjm at April 4, 2005 4:28 PM
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