April 28, 2005

THE WESTERN AND EASTERN FRONTS MEET:

Japanese PM due for India talks (BBC, 4/28/05)

Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi is due to arrive in India on a three-day visit to boost trade and ties between the two countries.

Mr Koizumi will hold talks with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President APJ Kalam.

The two countries are expected to reiterate support for each other's pursuit for permanent seats on the UN Security Council.

Brazil, Germany, Japan and India have launched a joint bid for the Council.


Not only should Germany not get a seat but France should be booted--China and Russia too.

Posted by Orrin Judd at April 28, 2005 8:37 AM
Comments

I like the idea of one country per continent.

Australia being its own continent gets a permanent seat like we do. Denmark for Europe. We can always count on the Danes to do the right thing. India for Asia. Africa might need two because of the radical differences between equatorial Africa and the rest of the continent, so how about Lebanon and Kenya. Brazil for South America.

The U.N. would be a changed place PDQ and John Bolton looks like the man to set it in motion.

Posted by: erp at April 28, 2005 9:44 AM

One seat for the EU and all required to have consensual governments.

Posted by: at April 28, 2005 11:09 AM

When did they move Lebanon from Asia to Africa? Another Syrian plot in the middle of the night? One short trip away from home and I missed that wondrous marvel.

Seriously, maybe erp is confusing Tripoli, Libya with Tripoli, Lebanon?

Posted by: oswald booth czolgosz at April 28, 2005 11:30 AM

A continent is a meaningless criteria for geopolitics. Whether you call it the Security Council or the Congress of Europe, this is simply where the Great Powers Make Deals. Lebanon (which is not in Africa by the way), Denmark, and Kenya are simply not Great Powers. Brazil isn't although someday could be. India will get there, but isn't there yet.

The entire idea is that whoever makes these decisions has the power to enforce them. That means influence, wealth, and military power.

While none of these countries are in the rank of the US, they do qualify.

United Kingdom
France
Russia
China
Japan
South Africa

Russia is declining and may drop off soon.
India is rising and could be added soon.
Australia could qualify with a larger population and economy.
Brazil has pretensions, but has never lived up to them.
Egypt could one day qualify, but is nowhere close yet.
Germany theoretically could qualify on paper, but doesn't in reality.

Posted by: Chris Durnell at April 28, 2005 11:33 AM

Give a seat to anyone who wants one.

Posted by: David Cohen at April 28, 2005 12:08 PM

Why does frogistan qualify?

Germany's the economic engine.

Posted by: Sandy P. at April 28, 2005 12:40 PM

The EU countries should only have 1 seat. Having more than 1 vote would be like giving California and Texas both a seat. So France or Germany should be removed. The EU (assuming it continues to exist) could then be like the US and nominate a rep from any of its areas.

With France or Germany gone Japan or India should get the open seat. Then add a few seats so that large upcoming countries like Japan/India, Brazil, and Australia get seats.

Posted by: AWW at April 28, 2005 12:44 PM

Sorry, after posting realized Germany doesn't have a seat. But boot France anyway and give it to someone else from the EU, preferably Poland.

Posted by: AWW at April 28, 2005 12:46 PM

America, Britain, India, Kenya, Australia, Brazil.

Posted by: oj at April 28, 2005 12:47 PM

Kenya? Australia? C'mon, all, governments aren't forever. If you just start turning it into an international popularity contest or reward for good behaviour, you'll do nothing to undercut its claim to be a source of supranational legal authority and may end up doing the opposite. Do you want the world and half the American public to be howling that some future war was illegal because Brazil and Kenya voted no?

David is right. Seats for all and vetos for none (or all). The problem with the Security Council is its existence, not its composition.

Posted by: Peter B at April 28, 2005 1:24 PM

Kenya? Australia? C'mon, all, governments aren't forever. If you just start turning it into an international popularity contest or reward for good behaviour, you'll do nothing to undercut its claim to be a source of supranational legal authority and may end up doing the opposite. Do you want the world and half the American public to be howling that some future war was illegal because Brazil and Kenya voted no?

David is right. Seats for all and vetos for none (or all). The problem with the Security Council is its existence, not its composition.

Posted by: Peter B at April 28, 2005 1:26 PM

Peter:

Sure.

Posted by: oj at April 28, 2005 1:28 PM

Write off the UN and start a new club. To join members must be bona fide democracies. Set up two chambers, one based on GDP and the other based on population.

Posted by: Gideon at April 28, 2005 1:36 PM
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