I have an Odyssey. I don't like it at all. The electric doors keep having problems and it makes this weird humming noise over 70 mph. Yuck!

The thing about a minivan going over 70 isn't how well it goes over 70, but that it goes over 70 at all. There's nothing quite like passing a Porsche in an Odyssey.

We have intermittent door problems too, but they always work themselves out. But is there a better minivan?

I own an Odyssey as well. A great car. The doors haven't failed dramatically for me, but are irksome in a number of small ways.

The odyssey is the destination.

I have a Toyota Sienna. I preferred it to the Odyssey since I found it to have a quieter ride. The pre-2004 Sienna's didn't have all the features of an Odyssey, but they've caught up since.

Best car I've ever owned was a 1985 Civic CRX. RIP, little blue car!

So far, we've been delighted w/ our Chrysler T&C LX. That may change if they don't locate the latest phantom/random electrical starting issue. But I still have the $3k difference I didn't originally spend on the Odyssey or Sienna to fix it with, so....guess we'll see.

I formerly thought that buying an American car was important. But the last American car I bought was manufactured in Canada by a company that was bought out by the Germans.

When I went to replace my Mercury sedan, I bought a Honda Accord, which was manufactured within 30 miles of the place where I sit as write this. I liked it so much that I bought another one.

I won't buy a GM vehicle, because the last one I bought (1986) showed visible rust within 6 weeks after I bought it. Beyond that I see no reason to punish myself. GM and Ford are suffering from bad management decisions and over-reliance on SUVs. I do not feel obligated to bail them out.

GM says that health care costs add significantly to cost of its vehicles.

GM retirees are highly offended being asked to START paying a co-pay on all of their prescriptions. So, GM is shelling out total health care costs to GM retiree Shelly age 57 who at 250 lb is growing like a weed.

Forget about spending those dollars on CARS TO SELL! Has the UAW got GM over the barrel? Or, in it?

sienna is a more stylish ride than the odyssey.

the thing is, if the uaw are going to support radical political activity then i am not going to buy products made by their membership. i want to help american workers and would even pay a small premium if necessary, but the lack of decent product coupled with the union shenanigans means japanese for me.

There are lots of empty union halls (like in Doraville, GA) with signs saying "Foreign Cars Will Be Towed".

In 10 years, the signs will say "Welcome Kali Motors!"

(or something like that)

Owning one myself, I have to concur that the Sienna is a better minivan, but the Odessy is a better value. We looked at some American vans too but they're just not in the same league.

Let me also say that if you have children and plan on long trips in the thing, get the DVD player. It's prevented us from having fewer children several times.

The favorite car I ever owned was a 1986 Chevy Nova, which was modelled after the Toyota Corolla and made in California. My last two purchases have been used 3 year old Saturns, which I keep for 5 years.

Cars get me from Point A to Point B, the logic of spending a lot of money on them either when buying them or maintaining them just escapes me. I'm also at a loss to understand America's distaste for manual transmission. Finally, I've never owned a Nissan that wasn't a piece of garbage.

This morning, there were seven Odysseys in the temple parking lot, and one Sienna.

Bart: There's this emotion you might want to check out. It's called, "Joy".

david: "quanity has its own quality" j.s.

i am sure there were more hondas -- they are cheaper and blander. what's your point ?

not sure i want to win a contest about whose mini-van is best :) anyway i drive a 5spd jetta vr6, not the mushwagon.