April 29, 2005


Doyle vetoes voter ID, school voucher bills (Associated Press, 4/29/05)

Gov. Jim Doyle vetoed a plan to require voters to show government-issued photo identification, saying Friday the requirement would disenfranchise poor and elderly voters who lack IDs.

The governor's veto came three days after Republicans hand-delivered the bill to Doyle's office as they urged him to sign a law they said would improve the integrity of Wisconsin elections. [...]

Doyle also vetoed a bill Friday to expand a state program that pays for poor Milwaukee students to attend private schools. The bill would have allowed 1,500 more students in Milwaukee to enroll in the school voucher program.

Republicans who control both the Assembly and the Senate said they would immediately schedule votes to try to override Doyle's veto of the voter ID bill, but they did not appear to have enough votes to succeed. The bill passed 21-12 in the Senate and 64-33 in the Assembly, just short in each chamber for the two-thirds necessary.

WI is a state to keep an eye on for a GOP gubernatorial pick-up in '06.

Posted by Orrin Judd at April 29, 2005 11:45 PM

I hope WI has an asterisk next to it for the 2004 election.

So, if "the poor" and the "elderly" lack photo ID, how did they manage to get their entitlements???

Posted by: Sandy P. at April 30, 2005 12:21 AM

Pick-up? Not as long as mickey mouse, donald duck and mary poppins are still on the voting registry.

Posted by: obc at April 30, 2005 12:30 AM

The election fraud in WI has been fairly well covered. So it is surprising that Doyle would go against this bill that most people probably support. With a good candidate the GOP could pick this up.

Posted by: AWW at April 30, 2005 12:36 AM

You would think the photos would be available to the state for anyone in Wisconsin who operates a motor vehilce, but apparently the poor in Wisconsin are too poor to afford driver's license pictures at the Department of Motor Vehicles, where only the greedy rich are allowed to have their photos taken, thanks no doubt to the evil Republican legislature, who probably only allow black & white pictures for the middle class.

Posted by: John at April 30, 2005 1:35 AM

As a Wisconsinite, I would caution against being too optimistic for the GOP. WI is weird, with an erie way of balancing legislature and governorship between the parties. I sure would like to be proven wrong, though.

Posted by: Jay at April 30, 2005 2:44 AM

The poor and the elderly are forced to use Al Hirschfeld caricatures as their ID.

Posted by: Governor Breck at April 30, 2005 7:26 AM

From the Wisconsin Department of Transportation website:

Obtaining an identification (ID) card

Any Wisconsin resident who does not hold a valid photo license from Wisconsin or another jurisdiction may request a photo ID. There is no age limit when applying for an ID card. When applying, it will be necessary to provide:

1. Proof of name and date of birth through a certified birth certificate, passport, or naturalization papers.
2. Acceptable proof of identity (usually a document with a signature or photo).
3. Proof of Wisconsin residency.
4. Your social security number.

The cost of an ID card is $9 for an original or renewal. A duplicate ID card costs $6. ID cards can be obtained at any DMV service center.

Posted by: David Cohen at April 30, 2005 8:50 AM

Waive the $9 fee for everyone. There are about 4.5 million people in Wisconsin, probably about 3 million of driving or voting age, so the lost revenue would be $27 million, essentially nothing, spread out over the licensing period.

Posted by: bart at April 30, 2005 4:05 PM

Bart: Do we really have to take seriously the idea that the poor and elderly can't spring for $9.00?

Posted by: David Cohen at April 30, 2005 7:33 PM

No, but we can call their bluff when we show that the cost, on an annualized basis, of eliminating the license fee entirely would be less than the Packers get for two home games.

Assumptions: License valid for 4 years so each year the State makes $6.75 million on license fees. Lambeau Field fits 60,000 at $70/ticket or 4.2 million per.

Posted by: bart at April 30, 2005 8:44 PM

Bart: The $9.00 gets you a state-issued picture ID. It is not a license. Licenses cost $18.00 for your first, and then $24.00 for a 8 year renewal. We don't hear much about poor people not driving because they can't afford the license.

Posted by: David Cohen at April 30, 2005 8:58 PM


Don't give Hillary any ideas.

Posted by: jim hamlen at April 30, 2005 10:29 PM


The money is a peppercorn. Offering to cut the fee to zero will cause the Democrats complaining about disenfranchising poor people to make those Ralph Kramden 'humina, humina, humina' noises. That alone is worth the cost.

Posted by: bart at May 2, 2005 8:10 AM

It should be replaced by poll taxes anyway.

Posted by: oj at May 2, 2005 8:22 AM

Then we'd have zero turnout elections. Would you pay $5 to vote in an election between Whitman and Florio? Between Kean and McGreevey?

Posted by: bart at May 2, 2005 10:11 AM

Much higher. You should have to pay the feds more than you receive from them in order to vote in a federal election.

Posted by: oj at May 2, 2005 10:18 AM

Given how many people that is not the case for, you are arguing for an end to the legitimacy of the republic.

Posted by: bart at May 2, 2005 11:45 AM

The legitimacy of the Republic derives from the votes of people who aren't kept creatures of the state.

Posted by: oj at May 2, 2005 12:24 PM


Denying the vote to about 80% of the population is a guarantee of civil strife, especially when they had it before.

Posted by: bart at May 3, 2005 9:22 AM


they're sheep.

Posted by: oj at May 3, 2005 9:31 AM