January 4, 2005

TIE GOES TO THE COUNTER:

Rossi given fresh hope as 'mystery voters' grow: GOP calls on counties to explain a discrepancy of nearly 8,500 (CHRIS MCGANN, 1/04/05, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER)

"People ask me what would fraud look like? It would look like this," said state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance.

County auditors and election officials say Republicans have based their conclusions on there being many more votes than voters on preliminary lists, and they say much of the deviation would be accounted for as voter lists are updated.

But they do not dispute that the numbers don't add up.

And most agree they never will.

"At the end of this, it's never going to match one to one given the volume," said Dean Logan, elections director of King County, which counted about 900,000 votes.

The current number is "larger than I'm comfortable with," Logan said. But based on historical data, he expects the reconciled lists to include 1,000 to 1,500 more votes than voters accounted for even after the lists are reconciled.


Why not just flip a coin?

Posted by Orrin Judd at January 4, 2005 12:07 PM
Comments

It certainly seems that something is amiss in the WA governors race. That said, at what point does Rossi step aside and (hopefully) plan to challenge Cantwell for the Senate seat?

Posted by: AWW at January 4, 2005 1:01 PM

AWW:

Hard to do that when you can see victory right before you, huh?

Posted by: oj at January 4, 2005 1:06 PM

If the Democrat flipped the coin, he/she would say, "heads I win, tails you lose".

Posted by: AllenS at January 4, 2005 1:26 PM

UPDATE: The candidates agreed on OJ's proposal. A coin was flipped once, and Gregoire wins 247-1.

Posted by: Just John at January 4, 2005 1:27 PM

I guess 'motor voter' means you can motor voters where you need them after Election Day should the need arise.

Posted by: Bart at January 4, 2005 1:32 PM

AWW: In other words, Rossi should do as Gore did in 2000? The situation is eerily similar, although the voting irregularities are the specifically Democratic kind (extra voters) rather than the Republican kind (disenfranchisement).

Posted by: M. Bulger at January 4, 2005 3:47 PM

Nice try. Actually, the Dems have specialized in "disenfranchisement" here, too. Specifically, they showed a complete lack of any desire to "count every vote" when those ballots might have a APO return address on them.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at January 4, 2005 3:56 PM

Yeah, and back in '00 Republican operatives were busily canvassing military bases, trying to find soldiers who hadn't voted, and giving them absentee ballots to fill out. On November 10.

As the saying goes, all models are wrong. But some are useful.

Posted by: M. Bulger at January 4, 2005 4:13 PM

So you are saying that blank absentee ballots were being passed around like "walking around money"? Ballots which at that time were supposed to be locked up and under control of election officials? So who let the ballots out? How did they get reintroduced back into the proper precints to be counted?

Cite your sources, please. Urban legends kept alive at MoveOn.org don't count.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at January 4, 2005 6:41 PM

And I like the way you change the subject from GOP "disenfranchisement" to now claiming that the GOP actively tried to stuff ballot boxes. How about at least backing up your "disenfranchisement" accusation, beyond the mythical Mary Berry roadblocks, with some examples, first?

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at January 4, 2005 6:52 PM

--Yeah, and back in '00 Republican operatives were busily canvassing military bases, trying to find soldiers who hadn't voted, and giving them absentee ballots to fill out. On November 10.--

And what about those who were shipped out 2 days before and didn't know?

And the completed ballots still on the ships????

Posted by: Sandy P at January 4, 2005 7:25 PM

You knew that the Dems would keep counting until they won. They always have and they always will.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at January 5, 2005 2:55 AM
But based on historical data, [Logan] expects the reconciled lists to include 1,000 to 1,500 more votes than voters accounted for even after the lists are reconciled.
Can he resign in disgrace already? I am astounded at the gall of justifying this level of incompetence! Posted by: at January 5, 2005 3:57 AM

The real question is what Washington voters think of all this. Are they upset? Would they vote Republican next time because they see the Democrats as corrupt?

If an unknown lightweight like Cantwell can win in Washington state on her first try, I really doubt it.

Posted by: Randall Voth at January 5, 2005 6:47 AM

Randall,

She was a congressperson from Seattle so she got tons of free media in the state's largest media market, hardly making her an unknown. She is a lightweight but Slade Gorton wasn't making anyone forget Scoop Jackson or Warren Magnuson. He was Phil Bengston to their Lombardi.

Posted by: Bart at January 5, 2005 7:38 AM
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