Henry Wallace or George Wallace?

I'm guessing the reference is to William "Braveheart" Wallace, but who knows - they might want to plump for Henry Wallace, the closest we've gotten to an authentic Socialist in the White House.

George--he's the last Democrat to connect with middle America.

I have met Jim and listened to a presentation he gave, but came away unconvinced that he was as much "gospel" as he was "social." He implores Christians to care for the poor,but never mentions how the average middle class Christian in America is supposed to be able to do that when so much of their income is taken for programs that inefficiently help the poor. He was on C-Span this morning and I caught jsut a minute of his latest spiel, and he was sying that he ws sorking with mainline Protestant churches in some new program even though he might disagree with them on little things like abortion. He's a liberal Democrat, no more, no less, end of story.

Dan's right as rain about the state's mission creep. Literal tithing made a lot of sense, and was even much too stingy when churches ran all education, hospitals and alms-giving.

This is one of the reason a Kirkian conservative begrudges every penny which Leviathan gathers to itself.

Dan's right as rain about the state's mission creep. Literal tithing made a lot of sense, and was even much too stingy when churches ran all education, hospitals and alms-giving.

This is one of the reason a Kirkian conservative begrudges every penny which Leviathan gathers to itself.

Jim Wallis and Sojourners despised Ronald Reagan as well. They cowered at the sight of the Soviet Union, and have never liked the current Pope.

Standard lefty fare. But it is amusing to see him trying to tell the modern Democratic party to be more 'spiritual'.

Lou:

I attend the same church my father did. As far as we have been able to tell, the % of our members who tithe is less than a third of what it was 25 or 30 years ago, when inflation and bracket creep put the middle class in high tax brackets. We hardly dare ask people to tithe anymore (we do, but we make it aspirational, whereas when I was growing up I distinctly rememeber our pastor saying if you didn't tithe you were stealing from God.) That's not so far back that it was the stone ages-- and I remember that we paid utility bills, hospital bills, paid hotel bills for a family whose house had burned down less than a week after they moved into town and weren't even members, etc.

I saw this guy on Fox newschannel yesterday and he didn't strike me as a Christian, unless you define Christian as making sure everyone in the world earns $25 an hour by taxing those who make more until it's fair and square. He also likes to refer to any Christian he disagrees with as a "fundamentalist" (meaning, those who believe in the Bible, I guess). This is standard speak for trying to equate Evangelicals with Islamic terrorists.