He had the 'courage' to rail against the euthanasia of the unfit and lacked the courage to rail against the massacre of 6 million Jews, the vast majority of whom were fit. Don't waste my time.

Bart:

The Jews were exterminated because of "fitness"

It's like looking in a mirror, huh, Bart?

So, Bart, as far as exterminating the "unfit," you're down with that, eh?

At least my views make economic and utilitarian sense and were standard American policy before WWII.(see Skinner v Oklahoma)

The broader point is that the Catholic Church was able to raise a stink about the mistreatment of the mentally defective and were able to compel the Nazis to stop killing them. Thus, the notion that had they raised a stink about killing the Jews of Europe, it would have had no effect on things and only made things worse for the Catholic Church and for Jews is absurd on its face. THe Church failed to raise a stink about killing the Jews of Europe because the Church supported the killing of the Jews of Europe, as is evidenced by the roles of people like Msgr. Tiso and Cardinal Stepinac.

Bart:

Anti-Semitism too was popular before WWII, so by your standard is hunky dory. Only the Church did anything serious about the Holocaust while it was occurring, which is why Pius was so honored by post-War Jewish leaders. You've an unfortunate tendency to swallow hook, line, and sinker the nonsense that New Dealers wrote to justify the way they butchered WWII, exonerating Stalin and villifying Franco, the Pope, etc..

http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/dalinframe.htm

Mike:

As is always the case, he supports exterminating the unfit then insists others had the wrong standard of fitness when it included him.

At least my definition of 'unfit' has some basis in facts and logic not superstition and racialist mumbo-jumbo. The Nazis and their allies had a view that made no rational sense whatsoever.

Yes, exterminatinig Jews is baseless and irrational, but exterminating Muslims is based on cold reality that only you are brave enough to recognize and for which you must fight.

Maybe you should write a book about your battle.

Bart:

The Nazis appear to have been correct about fitness, how else explain the 6 million? Were Jews "fitter" they'd have been working the ovens.

David,

Stephen Emerson, Jean Raspail and Samuel Huntington already have more than justified any position I take regarding the Muslims. We are in a war to preserve our culture whether we like it or not, and our Muslim enemy will stop at nothing to destroy us. We therefore must take strong, draconian steps to survive.

OJ,

And just how has German science been since 1933? Do yourself a favor look at who gets Nobels in the Sciences and who's on the Forbes Billionaires list and then come back to me about 'fitness.' OK.

Bart:

Fitness doesn't require prizes.

They are the standard of how scientific excellence is judged.

Bart: The "Muslims", whoever they are, can't possibly threaten our "culture", whatever that is.

The Islamicists, a very small group of people, are trying to kill as many Americans as they can. We need to hunt them down and kill them first. But vastly overstating the number of enemies we have is not brave or fearless, it's just wrong. There are, maybe, 20,000 Islamicists actively fighting against us. There's no point in trying to inflate that into a couple of billion enemies.

David,

Muslims have killed literally millions of people for religious reasons from East Timor and Sudan to Norway and the US. If it's only 20,000 or so people doing the killing, it's a heck of a kill ratio and maybe our Spec Forces ought to learn from them.

Bart:

Millions? That's absurd.

The death toll in East Timor alone since 1974 is about 300,000. The population butchered or enslaved in Sudan since the 60s is in the millions. I'm not even counting Muslim massacres of Hindus during the late 40s in India.

Those are wars. It's like saying we killed 2 million Buddhists in Vietnam.