November 5, 2004
DEEP IN THE FEVER SWAMP:
Exit Polls Right, Tallies Wrong? (Thom Hartmann, November 5, 2004, AlterNet)
The hot story in the blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all – it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?Maybe Florida went for Kerry, maybe for Bush. Over time – and through the efforts of some very motivated investigative reporters – we may well find out (Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org just filed what may be the largest Freedom of Information Act [FOIA} filing in history), and bloggers and investigative reporters are discovering an odd discrepancy in exit polls being largely accurate in paper-ballot states and oddly inaccurate in touch-screen electronic voting states. Even raw voter analyses are showing extreme oddities in touch-screen-run Florida, and eagle-eyed bloggers are finding that news organizations are retroactively altering their exit polls to coincide with what the machines ultimately said.
But in all the discussion about voting machines, let's never forget the concept of the commons, because this usurpation is the ultimate felony committed by conservatives this year.
Bush/Cheney campaign manager Ken Melman was on with Brit Hume last night and Mr. Hume asked in some wonderment how the White House was so sure that the exit polls had biffed. Mr. Melman noted that, among other absurd anomalies, these polls showed that 63% of the North Carolina voters were women. as soon as the national numbers came out, showing an overall 58-42 gender difference, anyone who understands polling at all knew the vote margins were actually excellent for the President. Posted by Orrin Judd at November 5, 2004 9:03 AM
"...bloggers and investigative reporters are discovering an odd discrepancy in exit polls being largely accurate in paper-ballot states and oddly inaccurate in touch-screen electronic voting states."
There is no such thing as a "paper-ballot" state. I lived in Indiana. A small town like West Lafayette used paper-ballots, while a larger city like Indianapolis used mechanical equipment.
"Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?"
That can be said of exit pollsters. One conspiracy no one is looking at is this: Did the exit pollsters try to sway the voters?
Posted by: at November 5, 2004 9:53 AMThe best thread on Democratic Underground right now (and thanks for reopening the discussion threads) holds that the "concession" was merely a ploy allowing the Kerry campaign to operate freely in Ohio, where counting all the provisional and absentee ballots will show a clear Dem victory. This election isn't nearly over, they say.
Posted by: David Cohen at November 5, 2004 10:18 AMLet's recount TX and IL--Nixon can still win!
Posted by: oj at November 5, 2004 10:22 AMThere is a phenomenon: The Stealth Republican... to all outward appearance, they are Democrats. They are adept at deflecting the question as to their party affiliation. They communicate, largely by email, with their friends and like-minded associates, of whom there are many. They respond to polls with false information, they are evasive when quizzed by exit pollsters. Their reticence is caused all the negative sentiment in the MSM. They have many Liberal/Statist friends, and they bear them no ill will. Their numbers, obviously, are impossible to measure. Many are former liberals, college-educated, consumers of MSM (but skeptically, of course).
Posted by: Brian McKim at November 5, 2004 10:27 AMI like Brian's comment. So did trhe Republicans, for they ran a last -minute ad in Pennsylvania about no one knowing what you're going to do in the viting booth.
Posted by: Lou Gotds at November 5, 2004 11:15 AMI like Brian's comment. So did trhe Republicans, for they ran a last -minute ad in Pennsylvania about no one knowing what you're going to do in the viting booth.
Posted by: Lou Gots at November 5, 2004 11:15 AMWhile this is obviously conspiracy theory territory, let me say as someone who does computer security for a living, Diebold's security is a joke and I'd never trust my vote to one of their machines. I'm not concerned about Rovian machinations but simple incompetence. What's sad is that it wouldn't be much more work to have a far more secure system with a verifiable paper trail.
Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at November 5, 2004 12:10 PMI hardily recommend the system used in Wyoming and Arizona: optically scanned paper ballots. The scanning immediately detects incorrectly marked ballots, allowing corrections, and the paper originals provide an excellent audit trail.
Posted by: jd watson at November 5, 2004 1:03 PMI endorse, Guy and jd.
We use that system here, and although the turnout at my precinct was by far the biggest I've seen in 12 years, it took me less than 5 minutes to vote. 20 booths to fill in the paper ballots, one machine to scan 'em.
While I know nothing about computer security, one of the guys in our Tuesday tech discussion group does. It's amazingly easy to con a computer. He's explained to me at least a dozen ways.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at November 5, 2004 3:37 PM