Oh, I think you can add Canada and Old Europe to that list. Although, true, it may take the old dears some time to figure it out.

Peter:

They're terminal.

Nice try. Not even you can depress me today.

I big on Condi too.

But I'll believe it when I see it.

Peter:

Paul Martin and no Expos.

You've got Rove too low. Next to George Bush, he has been the most demonized figure in the country. His vision has been vindicated.

Melissa:

But who does it matter to other than him personally?

Sorry. but Keyes doesn't belong on the list. He might if he'd managed to get over 40% of the vote, but not at 27%. That's barely above territory that McCain's and Leahy's opponents inhabit.

Keyes now joins Buchanan with the has-beens and never-weres.

I'm not sure I agree with you about Obama. It's hard to see how a 70 point victory has really painted him into a corner. I realize you've been beating the Keyes drum for the last few months, but do you really think Obama has higher negatives than Hillary? Why wouldn't they join together on a ticket?

Mike:

He's an even lighter weight than Edwards.

I think you left out Michael Moore and Paul Krugman as winners; now they'll continue to have something to write and film about and an audience that'll continue to eat it up.

Bret:

Mencken and Nock were right, but folks stopped listening as FDR solidified the Democratic majority. Moore and Krugman aren't even right.

You forgot the National Rile Association. Hanoi John's posing with guns fooled nobody, and the NRA went all out for Bush, publishing its magazines interview of him in the issues that reached the membership just before the vote. All the instituions of traditional America pulled together on this one: never forget that the NRA did our part, and it would not have happened without us.

The Kurds!

I second Lou Gots, regarding NRA's contribution to Bush's effort.

Look at this way, Ohio was the big one, and Kerry had to waste an entire day in Ohio trying to pretend to be a hunter. That fact alone should indicate that he knew what his problem was.

Speaking of Obama, I was at Manuel's in Atlanta last night, a long time water-hole to politicos in Atlanta and an unofficial Democrat hangout. Affiliation aside, it's a fun place to watch the results come in -- people get really charged up (and I have lots of D friends).

Obama got massive cheers every time the results for his race came up, long past the time the results were interesting. Whatever his national profile, his inter-party profile would appear to be very high.

People chanted "Ker-ry, Ker-ry" whenever Kerry appeared up in a state, but I heard very little public enthusiasm for Edwards -- I did hear people grumbling about him not being able to carry his own state, and people saying Gephardt would have been a better Veep pick (probably true, actually).

After Florida was called for Bush, some guy spilled his beer on me while he was vigourously giving the finger to an image of the president on the t.v. Me & my friends decided to bug out before the Ohio results came in, lest people start throwing their drinks at him. . . .

How about listing we the people among the winners? And the Electoral College? And federalism generally?

Let me start by saying that I like Alan Keyes. But listing him as one of last nights winners goes way too far. He lost by such huge margins that he took my Representative, Phil Crane, down with him.

Alan Keyes deserves a high profile appointive position for his willingness to take one on the chin for the team. But please don't ever put him on a ticket ever again.

I want to see Condoleeza Rice run against Dianne Feinstein in 2006.

OJ - Edwards never got 70%.

There is something refreshing about the Illinois GOP right now. With the defeat of the drunken non-entity Crane and the embarassing squashing of Alan Keyes, the GOP can dust itself off, regroup and move on.

The governor of Illinois is a mediocre Daley Chicago hack. He'll screw up and now that the GOP is out of power in Illinois, they no longer have that culture of cheesy hangers-on that produce a scumbag like George Ryan. They realized as well that the employment of quick fixes like the moral reprobate John Ryan and the frothing Alan Keyes serve no purpose.

The Illinois GOP has the chance to regroup and refocus on what actually wins elections. They had their 1964 this year. If they focus on ideas, on offering policies which create jobs rather than merely preserve obsolete jobs, or which give people options for their kids' education rather than feathering the nests of the educational apparat, or recognize the social conservatism of Illinoisans whether urban or rural, Black or White, etc, then they have a chance. Otherwise, they're history.

Alan Keys needs to be given the Harold Stassan award and shown the door to obscurity.

I met H.S., BTW, @ the '80 GOP convention in Detroit. He was a nice, humble, soft spoken man.