October 11, 2004
THANKS, GIPPER:
North Korea Blasts US Deployment Aegis Destroyers (SpaceWar, 10/10/04)
North Korea has accused the United States of triggering a regional arms race by deploying navy destroyers equipped with Aegis missile tracking systems in the sea off the communist state. [...]The new US reinforcement "is a very dangerous provocation upsetting stability and strategic balance in Northeast Asia and sparking off an arms race in the region," the Pyongyang spokesman said in an interview monitored here.
"The adventurous missile defence system which the United States seeks to establish with Japan and South Korea involved is designed to contain China and Russia in the end."
The Soviets fell for it in the '80s and the NorKs are falling for it now. Posted by Orrin Judd at October 11, 2004 9:09 AM
Sorry to go off-topic, but does anyone see George Soros and his gang of hedgers playing the crude oil spot market for profit and propaganda purposes, or should I just take a xanex?
Posted by: ed at October 11, 2004 9:28 AM[S]parking off an arms race ??
Wouldn't that imply that North Korea has an ability to produce more weapons, faster, an ability which everyone knows that North Korea doesn't possess ?
Yeah, the Asian missile defense system has the ultimate goal of containing Russia. Uh-huh. I'm sure that the Russians are shaking in their (hobnailed) boots.
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at October 11, 2004 9:28 AMI should hope that Soros is making money speculating in oil, or else his reputation is based entirely on myth. With this much volatility, over the past couple of months one could have made money whether one believed that prices were heading higher, or lower.
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at October 11, 2004 9:34 AMMichael:
The Soviets didn't have the capacity either, which is why they folded.
Posted by: oj at October 11, 2004 9:35 AMNorth Korea can't play the game of nuclear 'chicken' it has been doing for the past 2 decades any more if retaliation is immediate and at its doorstep. If we can convince the Japanese to go nuclear and arm their navy with nukes, then the jig is up, and the Dear Leader will really have a reason for his hair to stand on end.
Posted by: Bart at October 11, 2004 10:06 AMThe norks aren't the only goal of this - China. Consider the 7 carriers that are headed that way come summer. Since China more or less props up North Korea, along with South Korea, this is the country we should pull the ol' try-to-match-our- military-strength-without-bursting-at-the-seams trick.
Posted by: MikeB at October 11, 2004 10:31 AMEd
Oil Speculators are doing a wonderful public service.
Posted by: h-man at October 11, 2004 10:58 AMTo the PRC, North Korea is far more an irritant than an ally. But like the South, they are concerned that its collapse would result in a disaster which would undo their fragile system.
Posted by: Bart at October 11, 2004 11:04 AMBart -
Which is why it's so critical to maintain the multiparty talks, to insure NK properly remains China's problem and not ours.
Posted by: mike earl at October 11, 2004 11:54 AMNo question that, over the long haul, high oil prices encourage advances in alternative energy technology, but they also give the MSM yet another scenario with which to castigate the President. ABC Business News reported this morning that oldsters would surely freeze (and die) this winter because of high fuel prices and Republican efforts to hold down increases in spending on the "Aid to Poor Homwowners' Heating program," or whatever it's called.
Posted by: ed at October 11, 2004 12:26 PMmike:
Why talk at all? Topple the North and let the South and China deal with the aftermath.
Posted by: oj at October 11, 2004 12:36 PMOJ -
Well, that's the threat, of course, but we can give the Chinese a chance to offer us an easier scenario if they don't like it.
Posted by: mike earl at October 11, 2004 1:21 PMTo the Chinese, 25 million dead North Koreans is like, you know, 4% of their own. No big deal.
Posted by: ratbert at October 11, 2004 1:49 PMOJ:
If they don't like our solution to the NK problem, they may feel compelled to offer us a better one, and may be in a position to do so.
Posted by: mike earl at October 11, 2004 3:15 PMThey should chill out. Aegis doesn't work
Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 11, 2004 3:28 PMmike:
fine, let them do so. We don't need to chat about it do we? The longer we talk the less likely they act.
Posted by: oj at October 11, 2004 3:33 PMharry:
But your guys in the Soviet never figured that out--largely due to one of the great counter-intelligence schemes of all time--why do you think the commies in North Korea are any smarter?
Posted by: oj at October 11, 2004 3:34 PMWhen did the USSR ever shy away from Aegis?
Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 12, 2004 12:55 PMI consulted with my physics adviser this afternoon about out antiaircraft defenses.
(He developed the guidance systems for several of them.)
He confirms that we have nothing that will shoot down anything from the ground up.
"We can shoot them down from above easily," was his verdict
Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 12, 2004 9:43 PMThus, the inevitability of space-based weapons systems.
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at October 13, 2004 6:35 AMYes, but they don't work yet and it's going to be quite a while before they do.
The AEOS telescope here on Maui is a remarkable machine, which can acquire and track unexpected objects in low-angle passes.
One at a time, unless the Air Force is holding out on me.
Now, make that an order of magnitude better, and teach it to discriminate between nuclear and non-nuclear contents, and you're almost ready to start building your attack vehicle.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 13, 2004 4:41 PMLaunch a first strike and catch the one or two they might get off--seems easy enough.
Posted by: oj at October 13, 2004 4:47 PMWell, sure.Unless they have one in a warehouse in San Pedro already.
You're the one who told me we couldn't fight World War II over again. Believe it.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 13, 2004 11:24 PMYes, if there's ever another real war we'll use our nuclear arsenal--we're casualty averse.
Posted by: oj at October 14, 2004 8:26 AMMy county passed an antinuclear ordinance.
Not understanding that the important point with regard to nukes is not where they're launched but where they land.
We'll never use nukes against any enemy that we think also has them, because we are, indeed, casualty averse
Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 14, 2004 5:51 PMHarry:
Sure we will. The Chinese and Nork nukes won't kill us, but conventional wars would cost a few casualties.
Posted by: oj at October 14, 2004 6:13 PM