October 28, 2004


Dutch may have met Hobbits (news.com.au, October 29, 2004)

SCIENTISTS who announced yesterday they had discovered a new human species suspect the "hobbits" could have lived as recently as 500 years ago.

Experts from two NSW universities told how finding the dwarf-like skeleton in a remote cave on the Indonesian island of Flores was just the tip of the iceberg.

They hope to continue digging in other parts of the island -- and prove some of the species survived until the 1500s, when Dutch explorers settled in the area.

The best part of the story is the way it refutes everything Darwinists claim about human brain size.

Posted by Orrin Judd at October 28, 2004 2:20 PM

What do darwinists claim about human brain size, specifically, and how does this refute whatever those claims may be?

Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 28, 2004 7:28 PM


Here's the first thing that comes up on Google, all of which appears wrong in light of this being:


Posted by: oj at October 28, 2004 8:00 PM

If memory serves, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got suckered by photos of fairies concocted by two adolescent girls.

Posted by: Fred Jacobsen (San Fran) at October 28, 2004 8:55 PM

Oh Harry, for cryin' out loud, get a grip and a sense of humour.

C'mon, evolutionists have been leaning on absurdly long timelines forever. Now, all of a sudden, they are starting to talk as if the common ancestor has been living right next door for years, but we were just too busy to notice.

Posted by: Peter B at October 28, 2004 9:12 PM

oj: well, that's a first. Now we just have to accept that Google's ranking system is the arbiter of scientific debate?

And Peter B: what the heck are you talking about?

I think both of you are projecting the silliest possible arguments onto your opponents, the easier to defeat them (in your own minds).

Posted by: HT at October 28, 2004 9:43 PM


You can go through all of them if you want until you find one you're impressed by. The point is that because Darwinism is so deterministic is enthusiasts have to argue that everything that is is because it conveyed some hypothetical adavantage. So, despite foot pain, back pain, difficult childbirth, etc. they concoct theories that humongous brain size and bipedalism and the ability to use tools and what not were so obviously advantageous that they made up for the disadvantages. Then the Hobbit turns up and tosses it all in a cocked hat.

Posted by: oj at October 28, 2004 9:57 PM

If some of these were found alive would they be declared an endangered species or would they be melted down for their stem cells?

Posted by: carter at October 28, 2004 10:40 PM

Carter: Probably just exterminated.

Posted by: jd watson at October 29, 2004 12:14 AM

Where are the Hobbits now? Size does matter.

Posted by: Robert Duquette at October 29, 2004 4:46 AM

It is not unusual for peculiar species of dubious evolutionary to live in isolated areas like the Platypus.

Posted by: Bart at October 29, 2004 6:51 AM


As with every extinction they are supposed to have died in a catastrophic event or upon contact with us--Nature never selected against them.

Posted by: oj at October 29, 2004 10:32 AM


They were in Clinton's cabinet.

The discovery may lend some credence to Hawai's minehunes "myths."

Harry, can you enlighten us on this?

Posted by: Genecis at October 29, 2004 11:22 AM


If they were isolated on Flores (which we don't know was the case; it's just the only place fossils were found), then they were not competing with any other hominids. Duh.

I have not read the archaeological report, but apparently what they had were simple stone tools (and bone and wood, too, but not preserved, no doubt). Doesn't take a big brain for that. Stone tools go back 2 my, to when the largest brain was still pretty small.

My request to Orrin for specifics was, as always, not responded to.

Menehune were 'little people' who sheltered in the forests but came out at night to undertake big projects, like a stone-lined irrigation ditch (a fragment of which remains, the Menehune Ditch, on Kauai). Each project had to be completed before dawn, and if the menehune were interrupted by a big human, they would never return to finish the work.

The word is cognate with manahune, Tahitian for slave, and possibly is a folk version of the initial encounter of the Tahitians with the Marquesans, who discovered Hawaii perhaps a millenium before the Tahitians did.

Both were Polynesians but pretty much separated on the their home islands, Marquesans are notably darker and smaller, on average, than Tahitians, and lacked human sacrifice as part of their religion.

The Marquesans in Hawaii apparently were organized as family groups, with little or no higher political organization.

The Tahitians migrated as a warrior band and easily (?) subjugated the Marquesans.

It is thought that the Tahitians became the alii (nobles) and the Marquesans the makaainana (commoners).

Posted by: Harry Eagar at October 29, 2004 5:21 PM
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