October 14, 2004
I MUST LACK THE NUANCE GENE
John Kerry:
1 Kerry told reporters querying him on the gay marriage issue after a Portland rally that if Republicans "want to turn this into some wedge sort of issue and distort my position, I will fight back very clearly."Andrew Sullivan:"I support equal rights, the right of people to have civil unions, to have partner rights. I do not support marriage" for gays and lesbians, he said.
Asked if he would support a state constitutional amendment barring gay and lesbian marriages, Kerry didn't rule out the possibility. "I'll have to see what language there is," he said.
2. "The president and I have the same position, fundamentally, on gay marriage. We do. Same position."
3. "No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded -- and nor would I -- the right to preempt in any way necessary, to protect the United States of America," the Democrat told moderator Jim Lehrer during the debate.
"But if and when you do it, Jim, you've got to do it in a way that passes the, the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people, understand fully why you're doing what you're doing, and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons."
4. Asked during a town hall meeting in Hampton to explain what he meant, the Massachusetts senator said, "It's almost sad; it's certainly pathetic, because all they can do is grab a little phrase and try to play a game and scare Americans."
He added, "They're misleading Americans about what I said. What I said in the sentence preceding that was, 'I will never cede America's security to any institution or any other country.' No one gets a veto over our security. No one.
5. The usually even-keeled Instapundit says that Kerry's "position on gay marriage is the same as the President's." I can't see how that's even remotely the case.Looks like someone has made up his mind, and it's obviously not John Kerry. Posted by David Cohen at October 14, 2004 10:37 PM6.[Bush] only really annoyed me when he repeated that Kerry has said he will give foreign countries a veto over foreign policy. Kerry has denied it a zillion times. Doesn't the president at some point have to stop saying what is the opposite of the recorded truth?
Kerry supports SSM. He just wants it done by a judicial coup, so Democrats won't have to stand up and take the heat.
Lying, tyranny, radicalism and cowardice, all in one little package.
Posted by: Noel at October 15, 2004 12:16 AMThose last two quotes of Andrew Sullivan remind me of why I have stopped reading his increasingly insane rants months ago.
How can anybody who wrote the things Andrew wrote about the war, the islamofascists, appeasement and defeatism even consider supporting a man like John Kerry ? A man who wants to do to the Iraqi people what he helped to do to the South Vietnamese ? Flatly denying that Kerry wants a global veto over American actions because the Senator sometimes says he won't allow that to happen, while his entire career proves otherwise, is really grotesque. Even for the low standards Sullivan adopted since last year.
I believe Noel is right about Kerry's intentions on gay marriage. Sullivan knows that too, which is probably the reason for his support. And who cares if he has to throw out a long record of writings against judicial tyranny.
Posted by: Peter at October 15, 2004 3:42 AMI think Sullivan enjoys writing harsh, slashing stuff. It doesn't particularly matter who the target is as long as he gets his written jollies.
Posted by: M Ali Choudhury at October 15, 2004 4:32 AMAndrew Sullivan sounds like a 13 year old girl.
Posted by: pchuck at October 15, 2004 10:36 AMAli: Some of it is clearly an attempt to pull traffic to the site. Compare this Andrew Sullivan post with this Vodkapundit post.
Posted by: David Cohen at October 15, 2004 10:44 AMSadly, Andrew has evolved to a one issue constituent supporting a multi-stance candidate on any issue depending on the moment and the audience.
Snake oil my friends will cure whatever ails you.
Posted by: genecis at October 15, 2004 11:04 AMLet's see, the last Democrat elected president spent the whole campaign saying he would cut taxes, and then nine days after the inauguration announced a tax increase. Based on that, does Sullivan really think Bush has no cause to question Kerry's record and rely soely on statments made by the Senator during the past few months of the campaign?
Posted by: John at October 15, 2004 11:08 AMAndrew Sullivan is not now, nor was he ever a conservative. One can be a liberal and still be a hawk on the war, Hitchens is. Andrew is simply a fraud. He reminds me of a fellow that I've been arguing with in another forum for a while. He claims, "I've never said I was a leftist", then proceeds to take leftist positions, or when talking about Bush to bring up Iran-contra or some similar trope. You can usaully spot these folks right away. The argument usually starts like this, "I'm a Republican (or conservative), but...(insert loony left reasoning here), or "I've been a Republican all my life but I'm supporting Kerry this time because...(insert favorite democratic talking point here). This is all part of the leftie play book.
This is another reason that I ignore the polls, as I personally know a guy who is a democrat who identifies himself as an independent then says he's voting for Kerry. So far I think he's been called 4 or 5 times by polling groups. Maybe given the difficulty these days of getting respondents there is a list somewhere that identifies those who will answer pollsters questions, I don't know. My policy is if I don't know you I hang up on you, with a polite "no thank you, I'm busy". I'm not sure any of the polls are worth spit this year, and with caller ID and cells their only going to get more unreliable.
Kerry needs to apologize. He should have known that the Cheneys are ashamed of their gay-homosexual daughter since she was barred from appearing on stage with the rest of the family at the Republican Convention. Shame on...shame on him.
As to whether or not gay-homosexuality is a choice, I was going to suggest Mr. Bush ask Mathew Shepard, but he is, fortunately, unavailable for comment, burning in hell for choosing a selfish, hedonistic lifestyle. Maybe Bush could ask Lindsey Graham.
Posted by: Jimmy at October 15, 2004 4:26 PMJimmy -- No one had previously mentioned Senator Kerry's statement. Defensive, much?
Having said that, of course Kerry brought it up for political purposes. Asking whether he did is like asking whether a business did something "just to make money." The only rational answer is, "It better have." Now, he's losing the spin. With previous missteps, he's refused to back down and just kept digging himself a bigger hole. It will be interesting to see how long it takes him to give the standard, "I'm sorry if my statement unintentionally caused offense. No offense was met."
Posted by: David Cohen at October 15, 2004 4:41 PM>As to whether or not gay-homosexuality is a
>choice, I was going to suggest Mr. Bush ask
>Mathew Shepard...
You mean the kid who (after his lynching) got turned into a Martyr for the Cause?
I've read an essay whose thesis was that the gay activists who posthumously deified Matt Shepard into a Martyr for Gay Rights was as abusive to the real-but-now-forgotten Matt Shepard as the gay-bashers who lynched him.
For some strange reason, I think Matt Shepard would rather be alive and well than either a lynching victim or a Famous Martyr endorsing Kerry and The Cause.
Posted by: Ken at October 15, 2004 5:14 PM