September 8, 2004

ONE THING ABOUT THE "RUSSIAN 9-11"...:

Chechnya: Accept Reality (Samuel P. Huntington, 12/17/99, St. Petersburg Times)

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Chechens quite predictably revolted again. And when they succeeded, defeating Russian armies in 1996 and achieving de facto independence, Russian nationalists quite predictably found this unacceptable and launched the current military campaign to subdue these obstinate mountain Muslims.

So what implications does the Chechen War have for Russia and the United States?

Almost everywhere in today's world, people are espousing cultural and civilizational identities. Multicivilizational states are increasingly being challenged, as in Serbia, and some, like the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Ethiopia, have come apart. [...]

[T]he age of multicivilizational empires is over, and Russia will be able to maintain its rule over Chechnya only at unsustainable costs. The next leader of Russia would do well to emulate Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's realism about the lost Turkish empire and espouse a Russian-only Russia rather than an obsolete dream of a multiethnic, multicivilizational empire.

The implications of the Chechen conflict for the United States are equally clear. Obviously, we have humanitarian concerns. But the United States does not have any significant national interests in Chechnya, while we have such interests in Russia. Thus, we can do little to punish Russia without imposing greater costs on ourselves.

Many foreign policy experts are saying that the United States should take several punitive steps against Russia to force it to ease up on Chechnya: linking suspension of loans from the International Monetary Fund to the end of the war; threatening exclusion from future meetings of the industrialized countries, and depressing the price of oil, if possible, to reduce Russian foreign exchange earnings. In the context of the moment, these ideas are almost ludicrous in their inconsequentiality.

The Chechen War is very popular with the Russian electorate and therefore popular with politicians running for office in this Sunday's parliamentary elections and next June's presidential elections. As long as the military appears to be succeeding, Russian politicians are not going to pull the army back because of Western wrist-slapping.

What we now see in Russia is the downside of electoral democracy: candidates competing with each other in appealing to nationalist sentiments. Even when Russia was clearly losing the war in 1996, it took the then commanding figure of Alexander Lebed to negotiate and sell to his government and people an agreement to withdraw from Chechnya.

The United States should deplore the humanitarian tragedy in Chechnya, but Clinton administration officials should also recognize that this conflict is 200 years old, and that it is one front among many in the contemporary global struggles between Muslim and non-Muslim peoples. In the long run, Russia cannot win this war, and the United States cannot significantly affect the outcome. The sooner statesmen accept these realities, the sooner peace will come to the North Caucasus.


no one has to ask: "Why do they hate us?"

Posted by Orrin Judd at September 8, 2004 4:22 PM
Comments

Threw me at the end when it said Clinton then I noticed the article was from 1999.

I admit I am still working on this one. The treatment of the Chechnyians by Russia argues that Russia should let them break apart (or build a wall as suggested yesterday). However, the brutality of the attack (against children), the fact that none of the hijackers were Chechynians, and that this would lead to further separationist movements in Russia argues that Russia needs to not let this stand.

Perhaps it will convince Putin to resolve the Yukos issue which will help reduce oil prices and reduce revenue going to the terrorist countries.

Posted by: AWW at September 8, 2004 4:42 PM

Japan bombed a few boats so we melted several cities.

Posted by: oj at September 8, 2004 4:47 PM

These terrorist need to get their act together. For the life of me, I can't figure what they were trying to accomplish.

Look McVeigh killed kids also, but apparently wasn't aware that that was going to happen. At least he was trying to hit the government directly in order to even the score for Waco. It was clear "why he hated us".

Three years since 9-11, and everybody has a different opinion why the goat herders hate us. Israel? the frigging Crusades? The Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina? huh I rather go to Vegas.

Now Russia, you say they aren't Chechnyians, hey give me break! These are sickos.


Posted by: h-man at September 8, 2004 5:14 PM

I was unaware that Ataturk gave up his Kurdish empire.

We should be encouraging Russia to deal with its Islam problem. It's bigger than Chechnya, and it's ours, too.

The attack had next to nothing to do with Chechen aspirations for independence.

When the same guys blew up Bali, I don't recall anybody demanding that the United States pressure Djakarta to hive off Bali.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at September 8, 2004 7:02 PM

Indonesia already lost East Timor and will lose many more of its constituent parts.

Posted by: oj at September 8, 2004 7:37 PM

McVeigh didn't care who he killed, or he would have struck at 0300.
If the building had housed daycare from top to bottom, McVeigh would no doubt have been pleased about all the publicity it would cause.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at September 8, 2004 7:48 PM

Michael the only point is that his motivation was discernable without resort to blathering about the f*cking crusades. (McVeigh got what he deserved and I hope justice prevails in the Bin Laden, and other cases)

Posted by: h-man at September 8, 2004 8:24 PM

By the way Michael, excuse my language in the previous post. I seem to over react to killing kids at random.

Posted by: h-man at September 8, 2004 9:14 PM

h-man, I understand completely.
The world often makes me wish it were as simple as strapping on some grenades and picking up my AK-47, a la Stallone's Rambo or Schwarzenegger's Commando.

If it were, I would.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at September 8, 2004 10:01 PM

Not too many East Timorese were around to enjoy it, though.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at September 10, 2004 2:19 AM

News to them.

Posted by: oj at September 10, 2004 7:29 AM
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