June 22, 2004
THE FINAL NAIL IN "IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE"'s COFFIN:
Poll: 64% of Israeli Jews support encouraging Arabs to leave (Yulie Khromchenco, 6/22/04, Haaretz)
A University of Haifa poll released Monday reveals that a majority of the Jewish public in Israel - 63.7 percent - believes that the government should encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate from Israel.Posted by Orrin Judd at June 22, 2004 5:54 PMThe survey, conducted by the university's National Security Studies Center, also found that 48.6 percent of the Israeli Jews polled said the government was overly sympathetic to the Arab population.
Compared to similar polls conducted in 2001 and 2003, the current survey indicates an increase in the public's extremism.
The majority of Jewish respondents, 55.3 percent, said Israeli Arabs endangered national security, while 45.3 percent of those polled said they supported revoking Israeli Arabs' right to vote and hold political office.
Mr. Judd;
The problem is that the Arabs living is Israel, for all of Israel's resemblance to the worst of the Nazi regime and South African apartheid, don't seem to want to escape. Odd, that.
Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at June 22, 2004 8:03 PMHardly an apt comparison (unless you believe that the current Arab population in Israel is facing a near-term genocide).
In the light of history, the decisions of most Jews to stay in Europe after August 1934, or the fall of 1936, or the fall of 1938, are just feeble, to put it mildly. But we don't know how many would have left, given an obvious and open alternative. By early 1939, there wasn't one. It was too late.
The Arabs aren't going to leave Israel to live in Syria or Algeria or Lebanon or even the new Iraq. And they certainly aren't going to Gaza or the West Bank. Odd indeed, given their rhetoric. Quite sensible, given the reality (I suspect an Arab immigrant from Israel, moving into most Arab countries, would be treated worse by the locals than he is in Israel).
Posted by: jim hamlen at June 22, 2004 9:10 PMjim:
Yes, there will likely be either apartheid, dislocation, or genocide in the near future in Israel first but then in the nations of Western Europe.
Posted by: oj at June 22, 2004 9:20 PMOrrin,
Re: your headline for this post, is the "here" in "can't happen here" the United States? Are you saying that we too will eventually exile Muslin/Arab-Americans?*
I think our much better success than Europe in assimilating our immigrants may make that much less likely.
Fascinatingly, this Israel story is reported in the same week that the famous Nazi hunter in France advised all Jews to leave France (before it is too late). Shall we have them wait for the impending genocide/ejection of all the Muslims of Europe?
I used to feel concern with the seeming reluctance of Mexican immigrants (and various other Central American imigrants) to the US to assimilate (learn English, etc.). Now I am merely grateful they're Christians (and fairly traditional, at that.)
Not disagreeing with your premise (CAN happen here), necessarily. Just wanted to hear you expouse a bit more . . . great blog, by the way. I love reading it.
* The majority of Arabs in the U.S. are Christians.
Posted by: georgie gaudi at June 22, 2004 11:33 PMThe idea that almost four years of terrorism and war by Palestinians against Israel, acompanied by:
* continuous threats of Israel's destruction,
* the active alignment of Arafat's Tanzim and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade with Hamas and Islamic Jihad, in carrying out terror attacks and suicide bombings,
* the refusal of the Palestinian Authority to fight Palestinian terror (though one might be justified in wondering just why they should fight it, given their strategy of implementing teror attacks---see previous point---but I'm just pointing out Collin Powell's, and others', insistence that the PA "has not been doing enough to fight terror"),
* the incessant anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sermons and messages spewing from the Palestinian (and other Arab) media,
* the relative silence of the Israeli Arab community regarding the terror war waged against Israel (even though "torn between their brethren and the country where they live," one can surely understand their reluctance to speak out...or can one?),
* the active assistance and collusion that some (no, not a very large number) Israelis Arabs have given to Palestinian terrorists, and Hizbullah, to enable them to commit attacks and suicide bombings within Israel,
* the violent protests by Israeli Arabs that broke out against Israeli policy at the start of the second intifada (in Oct. 2000),
* the call by certain Israeli Arab Members of Knesset (Israeli parliament) that the state of Israel should cease being a Jewish state, disappear, and become a bi-national state "for all its citizens"---for humane and progressive reasons, undoubtedly...
...might have some kind of effect on Israel's Jewish population is simply....astonishing.
georgie:
I mean that if blacks had been a majority of the US population the Civil Rights movement would have failed. Israelis are not going to allow their state to be goverened by Arabs. Secular Europeans are not going to let their states become Islamic. At least these things won't happen peacefully.
Posted by: oj at June 23, 2004 9:09 AMBut if Europe is dying, how will the near-corpse fight off the young and healthy? We won't see the passivity of the victims that we saw in 1938-1945. And if Europe tries to change its legal codes to allow atrocities, watch for a hostile American response (even with a stability-loving Democrat in the White House).
Posted by: jim hamlen at June 23, 2004 10:59 AMjim:
That's what will be so exciting. The secularist elderly will move against the Muslim young, thinking they still have suifficient power to win. If they don't they'll look to us to save them, but by then we're likely to have more in common with the Muslims.
Posted by: oj at June 23, 2004 1:34 PM