June 4, 2004

EUROPE IS OVER...MOVE ON:

A Pentagon Plan Would Cut Back G.I.'s in Germany: The Pentagon is planning to withdraw its two Army divisions from Germany and undertake an array of other changes in its European-based forces. (MICHAEL R. GORDON, 6/04/04, NY Times)

Proponents of Mr. Rumsfeld's plan see little merit in keeping a large number of forces in Germany now that the cold war is over. They argue that the United States would be better off withdrawing most of them and establishing new bases in Southeastern Europe, from which forces could be rushed if there was a crisis in the Caucasus or the Middle East.

"From a strategic point of view, there is more sense in moving things out of Germany and having something in Bulgaria and Romania," said Joseph Ralston, a retired general and a former NATO commander.

But some experts and allied officials are concerned that a substantial reduction in the United States military presence in Europe would reduce American influence there, reinforce the notion that the Bush administration prefers to act unilaterally and inadvertently lend support to the French contention that Europe must rely on itself for its security.

Montgomery Meigs, a retired general and the former head of Army forces in Europe, said substantial reductions in American troops in Europe could limit the opportunities to train with NATO's new East European members and other allies. While American forces can still be sent for exercises from the United States, he said, it will be more difficult and costly to do so.

"You will never sustain the level of engagement from the United States that you can from Europe," he said. "We will not go to as many NATO exercises or have as many training events."

Other specialists have warned that the greatest risk is the possible damage to allied relations.

"The most serious potential consequences of the contemplated shifts would not be military but political and diplomatic," Kurt Campbell and Celeste Johnson Ward of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies wrote in an article published last year in the journal Foreign Affairs, well before the extent of the changes now planned became known."Unless the changes are paired with a sustained and effective diplomatic campaign, therefore, they could well increase foreign anxiety about and distrust of the United States."

Gen. James Jones, the American commander of NATO, has supported the withdrawal of the two divisions from Europe on the understanding that American ground units would rotate regularly through Europe, allied officials say. But some allied officials believe it is less clear that the Pentagon will finance and organize the regular rotation of forces that are central to General Jones's vision, especially since so much of the United States' energy and effort is focused on Iraq. [...]

The Pentagon plan was discussed at a May 20 meeting of top United States officials. Administration officials declined to comment on the record about the session. A State Department official said that the meeting was a "snapshot at a given time," and that some ideas have continued to be refined since then. In the meeting, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who was once the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he thought it was unlikely that the Turks would agree to allow the United States to operate freely from Turkish bases. Gen. Richard B. Myers, the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also said securing Turkey's agreement was a long shot and indicated that he favored keeping the F-16's in Germany, according to an account of the session that was provided.

No United States forces are to be removed from Italy. The Navy's European headquarters, however, is scheduled to move from London to Naples.

Earlier plans to move that headquarters to Spain have been dropped. While skeptics have wondered if the switch from Spain to Italy is related to the decision by Spain's new Socialist government to withdraw its troops from Iraq, Defense Department officials insist that it is being made on cost grounds.


Why do people worry about them not trusting us when they've demonstrated repeatedly that we can't trust them?

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 4, 2004 8:04 AM
Comments

NYTimes template on Rumsfeld:

"Rumsfeld is about to do something unilateral and horrible even though everyone everywhere thinks it's a bad idea."

Posted by: NKR at June 4, 2004 9:01 AM

Andrew X quoted Mark Steyn the other day, something along the lines that our troops in "old" Europe are "defending allies who are no longer allies from enemies who are no longer enemies." Can't say it much better than that. Also, when a discredited German Chancellor saves his political career by bashing the U.S. one has to wonder how much influence those troops give us.

Posted by: Jeff at June 4, 2004 9:34 AM

i just want to see those economics collapse when they have to start spending their own money on defense. stupid socialists. it's always easy to play that role when someone else (american taxpayers) are picking up the tab.

Posted by: poormedicalstudent at June 4, 2004 11:43 AM

student:
They won't spend any more on defense, they can't afford to. The real hit will be the loss of all the dollars those bases and soldiers spent in the local economies.

Posted by: jd watson at June 4, 2004 12:19 PM

My favorite quote:

But some experts and allied officials are concerned that a substantial reduction in the United States military presence in Europe would reduce American influence there, reinforce the notion that the Bush administration prefers to act unilaterally and inadvertently lend support to the French contention that Europe must rely on itself for its security.

And exactly how much influence has our anual expenditure of how many Billions purchased for us?

Lets pull them out, save a few bucks, and stop worry about a situation that can no longer be salvaged.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at June 4, 2004 4:36 PM

And while we're at it, use some of the savings to dig up and bring home our buried war dead to give them a decent burial.

Posted by: Uncle Bill at June 5, 2004 11:37 AM

Europe was perfectly safe from Soviet aggression long before the fall of the Wall. The economies of Europe have been very successful for many, many years thanks to the rebuilding of Europe through the Marshall Plan. Our troops (and dependents) need to be doing something other than spending Euros and plumping up the economies of Western Europe. The real question is why we have kept troops there past the need to have them there even though it costs the U.S. dearly to lease bases in Europe. Perhaps it is less an issue of cost to keep them there as it is an issue of making sure with a U.S. presence that European forces are kept to a minimum. Are we just stupid for allowing Europe to benefit from us financially, or is it rather that the U.S. is interested in military superiority and keeping the lid on possible troop increases in countries who have the financial capabilities to supercede our military strength? It's just a question. If one keeps a grasp on a superior military machine and everyone in Europe feels safe and secure the way things are, is it less likely they will WANT to create a super military machine. To give military genius credit---if that is what it is---it is easier to maintain one's empire and military might and placate the masses than it is to take on an equally mighty military machine later on in another war. Just some thoughts on the matter I have had after reading the very interesting History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides regarding Athens' take on how to handle possible adversaries to power.

Posted by: Karen at June 26, 2004 5:27 PM
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