June 9, 2004

ANTI-HUMAN HUMANITARIANISM (via John Resnick):

Invisible beam tops list of nonlethal weapons Greg Gordon, June 1, 2004, Sacramento Bee)

Test subjects can't see the invisible beam from the Pentagon's new, Star Trek-like weapon, but no one has withstood the pain it produces for more than three seconds.

People who volunteered to stand in front of the directed energy beam say they felt as if they were on fire. When they stepped aside, the pain disappeared instantly.

The long-range column of millimeter-wave energy is known as the "Active Denial System" for its ability to prevent an aggressor from advancing. Senior military officials, who plan to deliver the device for troop evaluation this fall, say years of testing has produced no sign it will lead to health effects beyond perhaps causing skin to temporarily redden.

It is among the most potent of a new generation of futuristic, "less-than-lethal" weapons being developed by the Defense Department - tools that could dramatically alter the way police control riots and soldiers fight wars. [...]

Introduction of such a device in either noncombat or wartime situations could raise thorny questions: Would it be acceptable to inflict so much pain on unruly protesters? How would such a weapon be viewed if used on crowds in Third World countries? Would it violate international humanitarian principles if used in battle? Might it be used secretly during interrogations to torture suspected terrorists into cooperating?


That they might require you to kill someone (and destroy the mosque they're hiding in?) rather than use this on them really tells you everything you know about "humanitarian principles."

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 9, 2004 1:48 PM
Comments

"Might it be used secretly during interrogations to torture suspected terrorists into cooperating?"

Now this is really funny.
Interrogators around the world use electricity, either cattle prods or regular wall AC, to torture suspects.
Should the World renounce use of electricity, to prevent its misuse ?

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at June 9, 2004 1:57 PM

"Is it torture if it only creates a sensation of pain, but leaves no marks and no long-term damage? I would say yes.

You mean like a John Kerry speech?

Posted by: John Resnick at June 9, 2004 2:35 PM

I don't believe it. I don't believe in magic rays that cause excruciating pain that goes away instantly.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at June 9, 2004 3:01 PM

I wonder, would wrapping yourself in aluminum foil is any sort of defense?

No, not to become a baked potato, but as a Faraday cage. If so, then maybe the tinfoil brigade were right about the Black Helicopters, too.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at June 9, 2004 3:04 PM

Believe it.

It's just a big microwave emmitter. The moisture in the top layers of the target's skin heats up, just like a frozen burrito, and it's like touching a hot lightbulb.

Also like a hot lightbulb, once you stop touching it, (or move out of the ray), voila.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at June 9, 2004 3:06 PM

Harry,
Who said anything about magic?

My daughter used to believe that trees made the wind blow. She knew that if you waved your hands, it made the air move. She saw trees moving, and felt the wind, ergo, trees made the wind blow. You couldn't ask her to believe some magical, invisible force called "atmospheric pressure" could make the wind blow, could you?

I've felt an invisible force that made my muscles tense up. It's called electricity. I wouldn't put it past the DoD to come up with something (who knows what, some type of microwave radiation maybe) that could cause the effects described.

Posted by: Roy Jacobsen at June 9, 2004 3:09 PM

Harry:

We know the only thing you take on faith is Natural Selection, but there's a great story in it for you--have them use it on you & then write about it.

Posted by: oj at June 9, 2004 3:39 PM

Raoul:

Actually, yes, that would work. Mesh with less than 1mm spacing would work, too, as would anything damp at least an inch thick.

Posted by: mike earl at June 9, 2004 3:39 PM

I can't wait until anarchist protestors at various world organization meetings are clomping around in make-shift tinfoil suits.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at June 9, 2004 3:53 PM

I dunno about you guys, but I've touched a hot light bulb before, and the pain did not go away when I moved my hand.

The Directed Energy Directorate has a lab here and I write about it from time to time.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at June 9, 2004 5:00 PM

Harry:

Go for it! We'll post the story.

Posted by: oj at June 9, 2004 5:06 PM

Perhaps the microwaves directly stimulate the nerves without an intervening medium such as water under the skin. As Harry says, if you touch a lightbulb the skin still burns even after pulling away, partially due to such things as heat capacitance of the tissue (i.e., water).

Posted by: Bruce Cleaver at June 9, 2004 5:26 PM

If the beam affects the target's skin does this mean that the exposed skin is necessary for effective use of the weapon?

Just wondering.

Posted by: Jason Johnson at June 9, 2004 6:47 PM

Harry: Looks like 3 seconds is the time to beat. You da man!

Posted by: John Resnick at June 9, 2004 8:19 PM

Millimeter waves, unlike microwaves, are absorbed by very small volumes of water, so they only penetrate the top few millimeters of flesh. (Microwaves would go well into the interior of the body.) They heat it up just like microwaves however.

Clothing would reduce the intensity but not eliminate it unless it was conducting or wet.

Posted by: pj at June 9, 2004 10:26 PM

Imagine the havoc if a bunch of guys dressed like the Ghostbusters (with backpacks and all) showed up at a loony leftist rally and started waving their emitters around. One flash-bang would cause thousands to start running.

Posted by: jim hamlen at June 9, 2004 11:39 PM

Would it work on squirrels, grackles, amardillos, ...in-laws.

I want one. 2nd admendment and all that.

Posted by: h-man at June 10, 2004 7:22 AM

h-man:

Actually, you can find plans on the internet involving the guts of a microwave oven and an aluminum drainpipe. Those would be microwaves, rather than millimeter waves, and thus a bit more dangerous (especially if you've assembled it from an old microwave and a drainpipe...)

Posted by: mike earl at June 10, 2004 10:09 AM

This topic and the comments are a lot of fun. It sounds as though there might be complaints that the device should not be used because, like the old Chemical Mace, it has unproven side effects. Personally, for serious crows control I would prefer the proven side effects on an AC-130.
Seriously, however, it sounds great. Not we need some device that causes things like car bombs to "spontaneously" detonate, the way they always seem to in Israel these days. . . Hmmmmm.,

Posted by: Lou Gots at June 10, 2004 11:16 AM

This would be a good weapon for police actions and hostage situations, but in a war where you are faced with ideologically driven masses, you won't win the war with them. You win the war when you kill enough of the enemy to change the minds of the rest. After you zap the terrorists, what do you do with them?

Posted by: Robert Duquette at June 10, 2004 1:57 PM

Zap them again? And then again.

Posted by: jsmith at June 12, 2004 11:38 PM
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