May 22, 2004

OUT OF THE MOUTH OF BABES AND CARTOONISTS

Is torturing war prisoners a betrayal of U.S. values? (David Horsey, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 5/22/04)

James Inhofe, the Oklahoma senator from the Neanderthal wing of the Republican Party, may still believe that the only practitioners of degradation and torture in the U.S. military were seven isolated misfits at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison. However, stories suggesting something much different continue to pile up . . . .

These and many other reports indicate that treatment of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions is common among U.S. forces dealing with captives in the war on terror. The apparent efforts to hide these activities would lead to the conclusion that somebody knows they are doing something wrong. But somebody also must think it is a necessary wrong or why else would it be such a pervasive practice?

Here's a Burning Question that needs to be answered by all of us, not just our warriors:

Is torture always a betrayal of American values or are there times when it is justified?

We are doing a bad job of considering the questions raised by Abu Ghraib, mostly because, like Mr. Horsey, we are asking the wrong questions. As we are now engaged in a war likely to continue for decades against an enemy that takes pride in not abiding by our rules, we need to be very clear ourselves about what rules apply.

Mr. Horsey, like most media-types talking about these issues, confuses a number of issues. The first is the treatment of uniformed members of regular Iraqi forces taken as prisoners of war. These prisoners are arguably entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention, and I haven't seen any convincing evidence that they are not receiving those protections.

The other questions involve the treatment of prisoners who were not uniformed members of regular forces. These prisoners are not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Convention. We do need to treat them consistently with our ideals -- not for their benefit, but for ours.

Seen from this perspective, the "freelance" mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib is a scandal and must be stomped on. Not only is it inconsistent with our own ideals to mistreat prisoners simply out of revenge, but this mistreatment also shows a break down in military discipline and order that has to be slapped down quickly. It is clear that much of the mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib splashed across the front pages, which now seems to have occurred on one particular day last November, which the Army investigated well-before it was publicized, and which is now being addressed by Courts Martial, is this type of freelancing. In part it was caused by the exhaustion and tension inherent in the occupation, and in part it was caused by a lack of control coupled with the desire of young soldiers to count coup. It is a problem, it is wrong, but it is being dealt with.

The other easy question has to do with the use of "pressure" as part of officially sanctioned and controlled intelligence gathering:

Sesame Street breaks Iraqi POWs (BBCNews, 5/20/04)

'Culturally offensive' music is being used to break prisoners
Heavy metal music and popular American children's songs are being used by US interrogators to break the will of their captives in Iraq.

Uncooperative prisoners are being exposed for prolonged periods to tracks by rock group Metallica and music from children's TV programmes Sesame Street and Barney in the hope of making them talk.

The US's Psychological Operations Company (Psy Ops) said the aim was to break a prisoner's resistance through sleep deprivation and playing music that was culturally offensive to them.

However, human rights organisation, Amnesty International, said such tactics may constitute torture - and coalition forces could be in breach of the Geneva Convention. . . .

"In training, they forced me to listen to the Barney "I Love You" song for 45 minutes. I never want to go through that again," one US operative told [Newsweek].

This use of sleep-deprivation and cultural pressure to extract information from Iraqi prisoners without violating any of our cultural taboos is humane and should not, pace Amnesty International, even be considered torture.

The hard question comes with the official use of what Americans would consider torture: use of pain and serious physical trespass. This is the line we should not cross and, to the extent that military intelligence allowed MP guards to think torture was appropriate, they, along with the MP's, need to be punished.

Posted by David Cohen at May 22, 2004 10:55 AM
Comments

As the father of two small children, I must say that Barney music may actually cross the line.

Posted by: Chris at May 22, 2004 11:54 AM

45 minutes of Barney? That's nothing. Does this guy have kids? If not, he has yet to know "psy ops" for real.

Posted by: Paul Cella at May 22, 2004 12:15 PM

Excellent essay by the way, Mr. Cohen.

Posted by: Paul Cella at May 22, 2004 12:16 PM

Sorry to say I have been so turned off that I stopped reading/listening to the media on this subject that I must have missed some late revelations. Have there been instances of torture revealed? The last I heard it was all about psych-ops and abuse.

Posted by: Genecis at May 22, 2004 12:16 PM

What Paul said, in all the particulars: Play Caillou for them. Try out the utterly repulsive Jay Jay the Jet Plane. I'd rather watch Glitter, and yes, I know what that means.

Posted by: Chris at May 22, 2004 1:39 PM

I've tried to avoid it too. From what I can tell, another batch of abuse pr0n pics turned up, and the synoptic media are going through them like Beavis and Butt-head getting access to the Playboy Channel.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at May 22, 2004 1:40 PM

"Sorry to say I have been so turned off that I stopped reading/listening to the media on this subject"

Only this one? I'm pretty much tuning them ouu completely.

One time a few weeks ago when I found myself despairing about our future in Iraq, I thought back and realized that I had listened to NPR for the past two days, and read no Instapundit at all.

At that point I decided to stop torturinng myself with enemy propaganda (which I fully believe the MSM to be) and get all my news from the web. SInce then I've been a lot more cheerful, and I still know what's happening in the world a couple of days before anyone else I know.

Posted by: ralph phelan at May 22, 2004 1:54 PM

Ralph, I've just been through the same process. This prurient media frenzy is what kicked it off for me. I can't bear to watch broadcast TV anymore and use NPR only for the music. I feel a hell of a lot better. Hooray for the blogs and the internet.

Seriously though; what is all the talk about torture? Have I missed something?

Posted by: Genecis at May 22, 2004 2:24 PM

Barney's 'I Love You' is abuse. Disneyland's 'Its a Small World' is torture.

Posted by: Fred Jacobsen (San Fran) at May 22, 2004 2:54 PM

"Disneyland's 'Its a Small World' is torture."

Gaaaah. Even the very mention of that abomination is enough to start a terrible loop inside my head.

Posted by: H.D. Miller at May 22, 2004 10:10 PM

Genecis: There are certainly claims of tortured pows, but the left uses the words "torture" and "pow" so promiscuously that it is difficult to parse the claims. I haven't seen what I consider reliable evidence of an officially sanctioned use of physical pain to extract information from prisoners.

Posted by: David Cohen at May 23, 2004 9:06 AM

David

Thank you for your response to Genecis. Like him I have been confused in recent weeks as to what precisely the US is being accused of. With some regret, I support our Military in disciplining those troops that have misbehaved.

The pictures that I have seen certainly haven't fallen into the category of "torture", but there have been hints to that effect.

OJ and others have said that we need to leave Iraq in an expedited fashion (I'm agnostic), however if our leaving is "expedited" because of the "Abu Ghraib incident" rather than rational determination of what is appropriate for future Iraqi self-government then this will hinder the any chance of future military action in the middle east. I'm referring to domestic political fall-out.

Posted by: h-man at May 23, 2004 11:17 AM

H-man: Yes, the eternal conundrum in dealing with the left: are they evil or stupid.

Posted by: David Cohen at May 23, 2004 6:40 PM

Not only the left, David.

The P-I was the paper that asked its younger readers to vote their opinion about who was 'responsible' for the attacks of Sept. 11, and since it was multiple choice, gave them the choice of 'Democrats' or 'Republicans' and (as I recall) 'CIA.'

As to torture, to date I haven't seen any evidence of anything worse than one of the guys at my college rooming house went through to become a Shriner.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at May 24, 2004 1:48 AM
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