May 13, 2004
HAPPY-GO-LUCKY IN A WARZONE?:
Nick Berg: 'Iraqi police thought I was an Israeli spy': US officials, Berg family clash over details of who was responsible for slain US contractor's detention. (Tom Regan, 5/13/04, csmonitor.com)
The Daily Telegraph reports Nick Berg, the US civilian decapitated on video by Islamic militants in Iraq, told friends in Baghdad that he had been arrested and detained in Mosul because Iraqi police thought he was an Israeli spy. The Telegraph also reports that Mr. Berg told friends that a few hours after he was arrested by Iraqi police, he was transferred to a US military facility, where he was in a cell with Syrian and Iranian fighters. Both the Telegraph and CNN quote Hugo Infante, a Chilean photographer, who saw Berg on April 6, shortly after he had returned to Baghdad after being released from detention."Nick told me, 'Iraqi police caught me one night, they saw my passport and my Jewish last name and my Israeli stamp. This guy thought I was a spy so they put me with American soldiers and American soldiers put me in a jail for two weeks.' ... He wasn't mad. It was just an adventure for him. He said, 'This s[tuff] happens. It was bad luck'."
The Chicago Tribune reports that Berg's friends also said he had traveled to the area lugging electronic equipment, hoping to find "lucrative work on telecommunications systems." The electronic equipment may have added to the impression that he was conducting "suspicious activities," as Dan Senor, spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority, described them Wednesday.
The more you read about the poor guy the stronger becomes the impression that the beheading just made his brainlessness official. Posted by Orrin Judd at May 13, 2004 1:47 PM
Shame on you, for that utterly CRAP wisecrack, Judd. %$#%@^%!^@#$!#@($)!@_#($_)((*$!!@!!!!!!
That kid handled himself pretty well, and bravely, and he is going to become the catalyst that wakes this country up. HE DIDN'T GET HIS HEAD SAWED OFF WITH A BUTTER KNIFE FOR NOTHING.
Posted by: at May 13, 2004 1:59 PMVery sad and tragic that this young man was so violently murdered.
The more information that comes out about him though, the more I wish someone could've set him straight about his recklessness, naivety and sheer folly.
That he turned down the diplomat’s offer to have him flown out, and instead opted to travel over land to the border, because he considered the ride to the airport too dangerous, speaks volumes about his stupidity and inability to properly assess risk.
Anon:
Being a citizen imposes certain obligations, like listening when your government tells you to get out of a warzone.
Posted by: oj at May 13, 2004 2:06 PMWhy, why, why are so many in the West so wilfully blind to the reality of what they are up against? It is almost like there are millions just yearning to get to these people so they can reason with them, proclaim their good faith and organize a mediation session. Anon, may he rest in peace, but if 9/11 didn't do it, why would this? What will it take? Time to re-release Mrs. Miniver.
Posted by: Peter B at May 13, 2004 2:24 PMSorry, but I have to agree with the cluelessness part. In years past people like him would get themselves killed in the great outdoors (eaten by bears, falling off cliffs, drowning, getting permanently lost, etc.) because they wouldn't listen to advice from people who knew the areas.
But unlike those inadvertent suicides, some good may come from his death if only it continues to remind the weak-willed what we are up against.
Anon
OJ was only saying what everyone was thinking. OJ is putting alot of material on this blog and is publicly commenting on a whole variety of issues. That leaves him open to everyone taking shots at him. It's possible for him to trip occasionally (especially when he puts me down).
Give him a break.
Posted by: h-man at May 13, 2004 2:27 PMJust imagine this: suppose we'd found out where he was being held. Americans soldiers would have put their own lives at risk to rescue him because he wouldn't leave when asked to. Or, suppose they'd had sense enough to milk it for awhile. Sending tapes of him pleading for his life. Imagine how that would have played in our politics.
Posted by: oj at May 13, 2004 2:32 PMIf he was a freelance reporter and he wore a safari jacket instead of a t-shirt, people would be praising him and eulogizing him like he was a latter day Eric Sevareid.
I think it was presumptious of his old man to "intervene" on his behalf. Maybe if he was 16 years old, but he was a man, not a boy.
His father is an America-hating crud who disagreed so with his kid that he thought that U.S. custody was tantamount to being held by the enemy.
Posted by: Brian McKim at May 13, 2004 4:50 PMPerdicaris was a scoundrel, but that doesn't mean that the doctrine "Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead" was a bad idea.
The law in its majesty prohibits the millionaire as well as the bum from sleeping under bridges (Analtole France); and if not law then awe ought to protect Americans from Arabs with knives.
It used to.
That said, Berg is a pretty good argument for darwinism, or at least a Darwin Award.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at May 13, 2004 5:07 PMRegardless if Berg had it coming or not, the joke was tasteless. Even though Berg wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, he still had more marbles in his jar than the 5 dolts that were standing behind him.
Posted by: doug at May 13, 2004 6:19 PMRegardless if Berg had it coming or not, the joke was tasteless. Even though Berg wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer
LOL
Posted by: David Cohen at May 13, 2004 6:25 PMYou don't see those guys wandering around NYC do ya?
LOL...now that was funny.
However, I do have to wonder if it only because they can't figure out how to get past airport customs at JFK brandishing a machete and a headscarf.
Posted by: doug at May 13, 2004 6:43 PMFOX News had a screen crawl saying that Berg was interviewed two years ago by the FBI because Zacarias Moussaoui (the '20th hijacker') used Berg's email address while Berg was resident in Oklahoma. Apparently Berg did not know of Moussaoui's usage. If true, then this case just keeps getting weirder and weirder.
Posted by: Fred Jacobsen (San Fran) at May 13, 2004 9:11 PMAgree with everthing starting with Mike. His murder schocked me out of my depression over Abu Ghraid and that rededeemed him for me.
His father is an asshole.
Posted by: genecis at May 13, 2004 9:13 PMI'll still give his dad the benefit of the doubt for now, though he does shows signs of taking the Carolyn McCarthy route in response to the horrible death of a loved one (Though the only way the media will keep the Berg case at the top of the news cycle with the Baghdad prison story is if the father comes out as a major John Kerry supporter).
Posted by: John at May 13, 2004 10:28 PMMaybe I haven't been paying attention, but (1) has Berg's Jewishness not been conspicuously left out of much of the coverage, and (2) do we know how he fell into the hands of his killers? And, really, is his father worse than Fred Goldman?
Posted by: AC at May 13, 2004 10:41 PMSeems like we are forgetting...AL QAEDA IS SURELY IN IRAQ>>> and what about Berg's iraqi aunt? how odd is that
Posted by: cara at May 14, 2004 12:33 AMRethinking my post, it occurs to me that our national park rangers are expected to go out and rescue idiots all the time.
My position, long held, has been that if a moron climbs halfway up a mountain, he can stay there or come down on his own. I don't want my taxes used to get him.
The way fire departments treat cats in trees.
Not exactly parallel to the case of idiot Americans overseas, but it does get complex.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at May 14, 2004 3:15 PMHarry:
We do charge people for their own rescues at this point.
Posted by: oj at May 14, 2004 3:22 PMThe feds do, but how much do they collect?
Some rescues run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I doubt the rescuees have the dough to pay.
However, that policy was just about the only thing Reagan did that I applauded.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at May 14, 2004 4:39 PMUp here they pretty routinely charge the nitwits who get stuck on Mt. Washington, anyway.
Posted by: oj at May 14, 2004 4:48 PMHarry: Reagan did bomb Libya. You must have enjoyed that.
Posted by: David Cohen at May 14, 2004 7:14 PMI did until I reviewed "Operation El Dorado Canyon" (which I highly recommend) a few years ago.
That changed my mind.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at May 14, 2004 10:08 PM