April 23, 2004

SURE, I DISOBEY GOD, BUT I'LL BE FAITHFUL TO YOU...(via John Resnick):

Kerry: Religion Shouldn't Mix With Politics (NEDRA PICKLER, 4/23/04, AP)

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's campaign said Friday that religion should not be an issue in U.S. politics after a top Vatican official said Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should be denied Communion.

Cardinal Francis Arinze would not comment on whether it was right to give Communion to Kerry, who is Catholic and supports abortion rights. Arinze spoke to reporters Friday while issuing a Vatican directive, commissioned by Pope John Paul II, that clamps down on liturgical abuses in Mass. The 71-page document does not address the question of pro-choice politicians, an issue reporters raised with the cardinal.

When asked in general about "unambiguously pro-abortion" Catholic politicians, Arinze said such a politician "is not fit" to receive Communion. "If they should not receive, then they should not be given," he said.

Kerry spokesman David Wade would not respond directly to Arinze, but he reiterated Kerry's position on the separation of church and state that "helped make religious affiliation a nonissue in American politics."

"The decisions he will make as president will be guided by his obligation to all the people of our country and to the Constitution of the United States," Wade said in the statement. "Every American - whether they be Jewish, Catholic, Protestant or any other faith - must believe their president is representing them."


If he'll violate his obligation to the tenets of his religion for political convenience then why would he trust anything he says to us?

Posted by Orrin Judd at April 23, 2004 2:34 PM
Comments

Crossed that bridge in 1992, see Bill Clinton, marriage vows, total and repeated disregard of. If not with the other JFK.

Posted by: Random Lawyer at April 23, 2004 2:44 PM

Takes a guy with real principles to recognize that accountability to a Higher Authority of Truth has no business in politics.

Posted by: John Resnick at April 23, 2004 3:12 PM

Why is this still the subject of news stories? The fact that JFK isn't crawling on his hands and knees to beg the bishop's forgiveness is a sign that the separation of church and state is alive and well. That's a good thing. The fact that some Catholic leaders are speaking out that Catholics have higher obligations than to the state is a sign that despite all its problems the Church may be alive and well also. That is also a good thing.

Posted by: at April 23, 2004 3:13 PM

Because he has to choose between Catholicism or abortion. He's trying to separate Church and Church.

Posted by: oj at April 23, 2004 3:29 PM

No one disputes that separation of church and state is a good thing. It is Kerry's failure to abide by the tenets of his religion -- while claiming or at least purporting to be its faithful adherent -- that is extraordinarily troubling. Religion is not a democracy; you either abide by its tenets or find another medium to approach God.

If a man is willing to disobey the rules of his religion to obtain political gain, what might he disobey or ignore if elected President of the United States? In short, it is not Mr. Kerry's religious beliefs that make his fitness for office questionable, it is his failure to abide by the rules of the religion in which he professes to believe and what that tells us about his character that does so.

Posted by: Morrie at April 23, 2004 3:36 PM

Morrie and OJ: Better replies than I would have made. I would simply say this: The so-called separation of Church and state does not exist to sanitize political leaders of religious beliefs, nor of their willingness to act upon them.

Posted by: Chris at April 23, 2004 3:41 PM

Chris:

Yes, Mr. Kerry seems not to grasp that his religion is supposed to be more important to him than mere politics.

Posted by: oj at April 23, 2004 3:50 PM

Think anyone will ask Kerry why he doesn't just become a protestant?

Posted by: Timothy at April 23, 2004 4:16 PM

Ugh. My post clearly didn't convey anything at all like what I was thinking. I meant to object to the content of these news stories, in which two separate issues are conflated and confused, as the responders noted. I should have started with something more like "Why is this still the subject of such inept news stories?"

If JFK really agrees with his spokesman that "religious affiliation [is] a nonissue in American politics" then maybe he should remove mention of being a lifelong, devout Catholic from the very first paragraph of his bio on his webpage...

Posted by: brian at April 23, 2004 4:18 PM

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports...Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

-George Washington. Kerry stands in direct opposition to our first and perhaps greatest President. I find that...scary?

Posted by: Scof at April 23, 2004 7:05 PM

Priest: The Body of Christ . . .

Kerry: Break it in two, Padre. It's too ... round

Posted by: george at April 23, 2004 7:35 PM

Kerry wants to be all things to all people. Don't forget his touting of his Jewish ancesrty too.

Posted by: Steve at April 24, 2004 4:45 AM

Morrie wrote:
"In short, it is not Mr. Kerry's religious beliefs that make his fitness for office questionable, it is his failure to abide by the rules of the religion in which he professes to believe and what that tells us about his character that does so."


Absolutely! Public figures should strictly abide by the laws of GOD, including but not limited to:


Deuteronomy 21:17
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.


Kill people who work on Sundays !
Exodus 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.


Kill non-virgin brides !
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, and give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; and they shall amerse him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he has brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die


Kill rape victims !
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die


Kill unwed mothers !
Genesis 38:24
And it came to pass about three months later, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter-in-law hath played the harlot; and also, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.


Sex interrupters must die !
Genesis 38:9-10
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord, wherefore he slew him also.


Ostracize fatherless children !
Deuteronomy 23:2
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.


Slavery approved !
Leviticus 25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

Posted by: Your Lord at May 5, 2004 6:29 AM
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