November 11, 2003
THE ECLECTICON?:
An interview with John Derbyshire (Kevin Holtsberry, 11 November 2003, Collected Miscellany)
11) As a writer you seem very hard to pin down. Literary and well read but knowledgeable in math and computers; a novelist but uninterested in much philosophical introspection; a metrocon but sympathetic to paleocons, etc. Have you always been eclectic in your views and interests?You have put it very kindly. The truth is that I am a butterfly, without any really deep understanding of anything much--a dilettante, really. Most of my knowledge is pretty superficial. I was a terrible student—never really got good study habits. And it is not true that I am well read. I find it very difficult to read things that don't "catch" me. For example, I know next to nothing about American literature, most of which I find very dull. Conversely, I find it hard to stop reading stuff that DOES "catch" me. I read all 16 (as then was) of the Patrick O'Brien Aubrey-Maturin novels, one right after another. Same with Elmore Leonard: I just kept going back to the library for more. Then one day I was reading one, and I thought to myself: "Hey, I remember this Albanian character..." I had read my way all through Leonard's crime fiction, then started again. Nor is it really the case that I am sympathetic to paleocons. I think they are living in a fantasy world--this sleepy, righteous, agrarian republic, virtuously minding its own business here in the middle of nowhere. It's a fantasy: nobody's going to let us mind our own business, the world's too small. The reason I hang out with paleocons is that on a lot of topics they speak more honestly than "respectable" conservatives can, and I find that very refreshing. Don't get me wrong: there are good reasons for the self-imposed restraints that "respectable" conservative journalists like me accept--mainly, that we would be crucified by the liberal media establishment if we broached those limits, and have to give up opinionating and go find some boring office job somewhere. (This is probably going to happen to me sooner or later, actually. I am not very careful about what I say, having grown up in the era before Political Correctness, and never having internalized the necessary restraints. I am a homophobe, though a mild and tolerant one, and a racist, though an even more mild and tolerant one, and those things are going to be illegal pretty soon, the way we are going. Of course, people will still be that way in their hearts, but they will be afraid to admit it, and will be punished if they do admit it. It is already illegal in Britain to express public disapproval of homosexuality--there have been several prosecutions. It will be the same here in 5-10 years, and I shall be out of a job. Fortunately I have marketable skills.) It's nice to know that there are people braver than we are, though. Kind of like watching the U.S. Marines in action.
12) What is the biggest difference between living in the States and living abroad?
Space. Everything's so spread out here. The other places I know well--England, China--are terribly crowded by comparison. I read somewhere that the population density in the Chinese countryside, in the fertile areas of the east and south lowlands, is higher than in the average American suburb. I believe it. And there are so many trees here! You can drive 20 miles north of New York City and see nothing but trees, all the way to the horizon. Amazing! Did you know that there are more trees in New York state today than there were 100 years ago?
More deer too. Posted by Orrin Judd at November 11, 2003 2:00 PM
When I lived in Oregon, I remember reading in the Portland Oregonian newspaper that there are three counties in eastern Oregon (Baker, Malheur & Harney counties) where you could stick every human being on the planet and they would have more room per square foot than the people of Hong Kong. If true, we have a lot of open spaces in this country. N.B. These were early 1990's numbers.
Posted by: pchuck at November 11, 2003 5:39 PMIf you took everyone in the world and put them in Texas, you'd have, more or less, the population density of London.
Posted by: David Cohen at November 11, 2003 6:46 PMAnd Harry would still be worried that we couldn't produce enough food.
Posted by: oj at November 11, 2003 6:49 PMI bought Derbyshire's book on the Riemann Hypothesis, and it convinced me the guy should stay away from politics completely. He writes terrific pop math, and real lousy politics.
I don't know what he thinks he gains by admitting he's a homophobe and a racist, then assuring us he's only a "mild" and "tolerant" homophobe and racist. This mealy-mouthed semi-confession only shows how he's hopelessly out of touch with the real world.
The blunt fact is that there's nothing mild about Derbyshire's homophobia and racism. He despises homosexuals and blacks, and not "mildly" or "tolerantly". I don't like Andrew Sullivan's ugly personal campaign against Derbyshire, but Sullivan is right on the substance. Why does NRO allows Derbyshire to stain their web site? He only adds evidence to the left's insistence that conservatives are bigots.
Posted by: Casey Abell at November 12, 2003 9:21 AMWhy does one "admit" being a homophobe?
Posted by: OJ at November 12, 2003 12:18 PMOrrin:
You're dodging the racism admission, which I understand. Even in the blogosphere, outright white racism is not usually defended. (Okay, some paleocons would defend it.)
I don't know why an admission of irrational fear of homosexuals should be defended, either. But Derbyshire WILL get more defenders on this one.
Again, why does NRO want an admitted racist and homophobe on their web site? To prove liberals are right about conservatives?
Posted by: Casey Abell at November 12, 2003 12:50 PMCasey:
One problem is that neither homophobe nor racist really mean what I assume it is you believe he is, or I am. (I don't really read the site much, but what has he said that is racist?). One needn't fear homosexuals in order to fear the effects of the mainstreaming of homosexuality on the culture. Similarly, you needn't be a racist (or sexist or whatever) in order to vindicate Western culture, but you do need to recognize that it's laregly the creation of white men. Further, you don't have to view one racial group or another as inferior/superior in order to believe that racial characteristics go further than appearance.
http://www.brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/reviews.detail/book_id/250
Posted by: OJ at November 12, 2003 1:20 PMOrrin:
Today in the Corner Derbyshire is up to his usual tricks (bad term, maybe). He's accusing Bush of supporting homosexuality. Of course, just about everybody except himself supports homosexuality in Derbyshire's view. I'm sure his paranoid distaste for homosexuals has become a major embarrassment at NRO.
Another gem occurred when, in a classic case of projection, Derbyshire announced that many millions of Republicans seriously dislike black people, and no GOP candidate above county level could be elected without racist votes. Powerline destroyed this argument point-by-point.
My guess is that Derbyshire is aiming for martyrdom. Sooner or later National Review will give him the heave-ho, so he can retreat to wacky paleocon sites and complain about how unfair the neocons were to him.
Posted by: Casey Abell at November 12, 2003 1:55 PMI guess I've a bleaker view of mankind than you--I don't think the rise to dominance of the GOP in the South is just about values, but about racial animus too. That 8% of the white vote for the black candidate in Mississippi means something.
Posted by: OJ at November 12, 2003 2:02 PMPowerline was able to point to polling data that showed whites and Republicans were significantly less likely to hold racist attitudes than other ethnic and political groups. Maybe they're just more careful, but I doubt it. Whites and Repubs have been pounded so long for being racist, they've decided it's not worth the hassle to actually BE racist. Except Derbyshire, who proudly proclaims his racism. Only he's "mild" and "tolerant" about it.
Derbyshire's assertion that no Republican could get elected to anything more than county office anywhere in the country without white racist votes is absurd on its face. He's simply projecting his own racism onto many millions of people who don't share his dislike for black people.
He's also embarrassing NRO, and one day he'll get his desired firing.
Posted by: Casey Abell at November 12, 2003 3:24 PMWell, he's just being silly there--in most Red States outside the South blacks are few and far between.
Posted by: OJ at November 12, 2003 3:38 PMI like a lot of his columns myself and he is a fine writer.
I can't say I've read much by him that shows evidence of outright bigotry.
The one thing about him that does irritate me is his constant whining about illegal immigrants when he was one himself and one from a rich First World country instead of a dirt poor nation like Mexico.
Posted by: M Ali Choudhury at November 12, 2003 3:58 PMI like his writing and Calvin Coolidge, in particular, is very good until it falls apart in the end. He is, as he points out from time to time, part of a mixed race marriage, with mixed race children. Nobody takes this seriously, of course, because, as he also says, in the US race means black or non-black.
As for the homosexuality, my problem isn't so much any one thing he says, as that he keeps returning to it and seems to care so much.
Posted by: David Cohen at November 12, 2003 4:16 PM"Racist" and "homophobic" are nowadays basically contentless terms of abuse for whatever annoys Jesse Jackson and/or the Human Rights Campaign. Thinking sodomy is medically unwise, beating Matthew Shepard to death, it's all the same thing, sure. Thinking most cops are just trying to do their jobs and should get some benefit of the doubt from the law-abiding, firebombing black churches, pretty much the same thing, you betcha.
99% of Americans are at least mildly and tolerantly racist and homophobic, although most of them aren't sufficiently into courting martyrdom (or being provocative) to label themselves as such.
Posted by: Random Lawyer at November 12, 2003 5:04 PMWhy do I get worried over statements that 99% of Americans are...whatever? Anyway, I guess I'm in the beleaguered 1%. I just don't CARE that much about race and homosexuality. These are not critical issues to me - or much of any issues at all.
Oh sure, I get upset over racial discrimination against any ethnic group. But I really don't have feverish nightmares about these issues.
I get the feeling that Derbyshire does. Okay, maybe he doesn't literally have nightmares over race and homosexuality.
But as David Cohen points out, he seems to "care" a lot about these issues, which is a delicate way of saying he has strong prejudices against blacks and homosexuals. The fact that he admits to these prejudices doesn't make them any prettier. His constant harping on these subjects, as David mentions, also indicates that he's hardly "mild" and "tolerant" in his biases.
Posted by: Casey Abell at November 13, 2003 9:17 AM