I don't think this the tectonic shift you think it is. A poll appears in conjunction with an official making peaceful noises in the midst of an Israeli election: sounds more like tactical manuevering.



The general feeling, well before any of this began, was that Israel in her pre-1967 borders was a reality. It's always been the position of Arafat's organization to keep attacks limited to the settlements as well. This volume on these positions are being turned up more for the sake of boosting Mitzna than a reflection of changed reality.

I don't think this the tectonic shift you think it is. A poll appears in conjunction with an official making peaceful noises in the midst of an Israeli election: sounds more like tactical manuevering.



The general feeling, well before any of this began, was that Israel in her pre-1967 borders was a reality. It's always been the position of Arafat's organization to keep attacks limited to the settlements as well. This volume on these positions are being turned up more for the sake of boosting Mitzna than a reflection of changed reality.

Sorry about the double post.

Even if we assume the poll wasn't cooked --

not an assumption I'd make -- why would

anybody expect it to be any more reliable

than a U.S. poll? And we know how much

those are worth.

"Mere political pressure" has been responsible for getting the "Palestinians to change their homicidal/suicidal ways"?



Orrin, are you in dreamland too?

According to your formulation, Bush was indeed an idiot.



And no, the "homicidal/suicidal ways?" are not changing (i.e., only the successes are publicized by the enlightened press, not the foilied attempts, which run anywhere from 10-20 for each success, of course why should these make the news?).



Nor is there any reason why they should change their ways (unless they run out of explosives and need to resupply).

Barry- I tried to make a similar point, that the Israeli attacks upon terrorists have done far more than American political pressure to get the Palestinians to change their minds. American support for Israel, however, has been important, it shows the Palestinians that the world is not on their side.

Sounds good. Except for the small detail that that the Palestinians have not changed their minds.

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