February 28, 2004

COMMON CAUSE (via Buttercup):

Feminism in The 21st Century (Phyllis Chesler and Donna M. Hughes, February 22, 2004, Washington Post)

In the past, when faced with choosing allies, feminists made compromises. To gain the support of the liberal left, feminists acquiesced in the exploitation of women in the pornography trade -- in the name of free speech. The issue of abortion has prevented most feminists from considering working with conservative or faith-based groups. Feminists are right to support reproductive rights and sexual autonomy for women, but they should stop demonizing the conservative and faith-based groups that could be better allies on some issues than the liberal left has been.

In the past feminists interpreted freedom of religion to mean freedom from religion. Too often they have viewed organized religion only as a dangerous form of patriarchy, when it can also be a system of law and ethics that benefits women. Too often feminists base their views of religious groups on outdated stereotypes. Groups that were hostile to feminism 40 years ago now take women's freedom and equality as a given. For example, faith-based groups have become international leaders in the fight against sex trafficking.

Human rights work is not the province of any one ideology. Saving lives and defending freedom are more important than loyalty to an outdated and too-limited feminist sisterhood. Surely after 40 years feminists are mature enough to form coalitions with those with whom they agree on some issues and disagree on others.

Twenty-first-century feminists need to become a force for literate, civil democracies. They must oppose dictatorships and totalitarian movements that crush the liberty and rights of people, especially women and girls. They would be wise to abandon multicultural relativism and instead uphold a universal standard of human rights. They should demand that all girls have the opportunity to reach their full potential instead of living and dying in the gulags of the sex trade.

Twenty-first-century feminists need to reassess the global threats to women and men, rethink their vision, rekindle their passion and work in solidarity with pro-democracy forces around the world to liberate humanity from all forms of tyranny and slavery.


What a delightful irony, that feminists are forced to recognize that George W. Bush is the single most important force for the rights of women on the planet.

Posted by Orrin Judd at February 28, 2004 08:28 AM
Comments

The article frequently mentions female sex workers, and I agree that's where the next struggle should be. Feminists should lead the movement to legalize prostitution, and then to organize and unionize sex workers.
It's no coincidence that serial killers like to victimize prostitutes. Under the current arrangement in the US, sex workers, like illegal immigrants, are easy prey, for they must remain unnoticed.
Further, the working conditions are often appalling, and a breeding ground for physical abuse, drug usage, and even outright slavery.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at February 28, 2004 09:01 AM

The core feminists that remain the ones quoted in the press and given air time on the media outlets are the ones still supporting freedom from western Judeo-Christan religion, or, at the very least, freedom from it when those whose politics they despite are championing its cause. That's why the feminist leadership seemed more vocal about the atrocities of the Taliban against women pre-9/11 than after the terrorist attack, because suddenly their cause was being led by George W. Bush.

The most temperate of this group might be willing to champion women's rights within the framework of western religious beliefs, so long as John F. Kerry is the pope of their political world as of January 20th of next year. Other than that, Bush's denial of lesbian nuptual rights will remain their political focal point and the world's biggest outrage against women for the forseeable future.

Posted by: John at February 28, 2004 09:23 AM

Michael:

You've developed a strange passion for normalizing human pathologies.

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2004 09:25 AM

Normalizing the world's oldest profession.

By your standards, OJ, that means prositution should be at the pantheon of human conduct. After all, your fathers since time immemorial have engaged in it.

Posted by: Jeff Guinn at February 28, 2004 10:24 AM

Cain murdered Abel--wanna make murder legal?

Actually, there's no need to answer--that's the logical outcome of your amorality anyway.

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2004 10:35 AM

If it were possible to stop prostitution, then we could discuss whether or not to do so. Clearly, however, it cannot be ended.
Even Arabia, and Afghanistan under the Taliban, has or had prostitutes, although Muslims need to be even more hypocritical than Christians to frequent such.

Given that that's the case, then I'm for prostitutes working in clean and safe surroundings, disease and drug free, and without coercion.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at February 28, 2004 10:56 AM

I'm for making the next Auschwitz more sanitary since we can't stop genocide and maybe piping in muzak..

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2004 11:01 AM

Mr. Judd;

The comparison of prostitution to murder is completely bogus. In the former there are no unwilling participants, which makes for a vast difference morally, practically and legally.

Of course, I'm sure I'll get back "but women are forced to be prostitutes". That's irrelevant for two reasons. The minor one is that far from all prostitutes are forced in to it. More importantly, it's the forcing and not the prostitution that's the problem. Forcing women to work in garment sweat shops is wrong as well, but that doesn't mean outlawing sewing will solve the problem.

I will credit Mr. Judd for being consistent for wanting to outlaw fornication as well as prostitution. It seems extremely odd to me to favor permitting one but not the other - how can you really tell the difference?

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at February 28, 2004 11:24 AM

AOG:

That's the libertarian position. There are no libertarian nations. We're a Judeo-Christian nation and consent is no defense to evil behavior. Prostitutes have no right to engage in a trade that demeans themselves, their customers ,and the culture.

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2004 11:32 AM

As the article mentions, the Feminist movement has largely won what it had set out to achieve 40 years ago. There isn't much need for a Feminist movement now, but as with all self-serving movements and organizations, new reasons for existence must be manufactured where they do not exist.

Michael, the bigger problem with the sex trade is in the developing world, especially Asia, where rural families sell their daughters into sexual slavery. I don't think that legigimizing prostitution is a good way to address this problem.

I also think it is a myth that legalizing prostitution will eliminate the abuses. Most of the trade is driven by a desire for under-age boys and girls. Noone will legalize that trade, and that will continue regardless of whether prostitution among consenting adults is legalized.
OJ is right, it is a pathology. We can't base our legal policies on whether or not we can eradicate the behavior in question, because we wil never eliminate any of the pathologies and evils that plague us. Civilization is not utopia, it is an endless struggle to hold these tides at bay.

Posted by: Robert Duquette at February 28, 2004 11:34 AM

Michael:

"I'm for prostitutes working in clean and safe surroundings, disease and drug free, and without coercion."

Every man's fantasy.

Think their husbands and kids will be proud of their career choice?

Posted by: Peter B at February 28, 2004 11:37 AM

Back to OJ's main point - I know women who think Bush is the worst thing in the world and scream everyday about women making 80 cents to a man's dollar but can't acknowledge the improvement in women's lifes in Afhganistan and Iraq as part of Bush's actions.

Posted by: AWW at February 28, 2004 11:23 PM

All;

I was primarily objecting to Mr. Judd's analogy. If you want to claim that prostitution is a pathology, or violates the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of our civilization, that's a defensible position. But it's not at all the same as the reasons for forbidding murder.

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at February 29, 2004 12:25 AM

AOG:

...to a libertarian. You base wrongness on lack of consent.

The rest of us are saying that it is always evil to treat another as an object.

Posted by: oj at February 29, 2004 09:36 AM

Then capitalism is evil.

Posted by: Jeff Guinn at February 29, 2004 05:04 PM

Jeff:

Yes it is, unless, as Adam Smith required, it is mitigated by Christian morality.

Posted by: oj at February 29, 2004 05:14 PM
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