January 08, 2004
WHERE DR. DEAN LEADS:
Vile, Vile Pedophile: Is child molesting a sickness or a crime? (Dahlia Lithwick, Jan. 7, 2004, Slate)
Michael Jackson: accused Again, and for all the wrong reasons, we can't take our eyes off Michael Jackson. Whether or not the allegations are substantiated, the question is in the air: Is pedophilia a disease to be treated, or a crime to be punished? Are people who seduce minors sick or evil? Our current legal and medical systems blur both views. We call for the most draconian punishments (life imprisonment, castration, permanent exile) precisely because we view these acts as morally heinous, yet also driven by uncontrollable biological urges.If sex with children is truly the product of freely made moral choices, then we should deal with it through the criminal justice system. But if it is a genetically over-determined impulse, an uncontrollable urge nestled in our DNA, then punishing pedophiles must be morally wrong. As science—and culture—increasingly medicalizes bad behavior, finding a neurological component to everything from alcoholism to youth violence, we run the parallel risks of either absolving everyone for everything, or punishing "criminals" who are no guiltier than cancer patients.
When the Court misdecided Lawrence v. Kansas there were all kinds of solemn pronouncements about how we had no need to fear the slippery slope: "This far and no further!"
Uh-huh...
MORE:
Danish pedophiles in UK spotlight (Copenhagen Post, 16-10-2003)
A series of reports in Britain have highlighted the freedom of Danish pedophiles to promote their cause across EuropePosted by Orrin Judd at January 8, 2004 08:20 PM
The BBC's flagship radio news programme 'Today' has set sharp focus on what many claim to be a case of freedom of speech being taken too far. Describing the Danish laws on freedom of expression as an 'international' problem, the programme highlighted the fact that Danish pedophiles are allowed to broadcast and espouse their lifestyle far beyond this nation's shores.The series of reports, which were broadcast on consecutive days last week, come in the wake of a highly publicised case in which a British man was sentenced to 14 years imprisonment for killing a Danish pedophile. London-born Stephen Hoath, who has lived in Denmark for the past 13 years, claims he and a friend shot the man because local police refused to take action when his nine-year-old daughter was molested. Hoath, 53, who has a terminal lung disease and faces spending the rest of his life behind bars, is appealing against the sentence. Britain's print media is also closely following the case.
The BBC report pulled no punches in describing how the legal Danish Pedophile Association (DPA) runs a website which promotes pro-pedophile views. [...]
The DPA is a legal organisation in Denmark, holding regular meetings, issuing press releases and lobbying politicians. Its website claims a difference exists between the sexual abuse of children and what it describes as 'paedophilia with erotic-sexual contact.' Amongst its claims, the society argues those who seek to prevent 'erotic' relationships between adults and children are, in fact causing more harm than good. According to one online article, 'sexual activities that children spontaneously engage in for the sake of pleasure and affection are not harmful & but a child can be 'harmed emotionally if a third party intervenes and becomes shocked by what has happened.'
But if it is a genetically over-determined impulse, an uncontrollable urge nestled in our DNA, then punishing pedophiles must be morally wrong.
What morality is this?
What if punishing pedophiles is an uncontrollable urge nestled in our DNA? Then what, huh?
Posted by: Timothy at January 8, 2004 08:25 PMI am not aware that "science" has done any such thing, but as with proving that the Sun revolves around the Earth, there are people who will tell us to take their word for it.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at January 8, 2004 08:35 PMWe punish schizophrenic muderers differently than others, don't we?
In fact, sometimes schizophrenic murderers aren't even legally guilty. That doesn't mean they go free, though.
Posted by: Jeff Guinn at January 8, 2004 09:36 PMThe urges are not uncontrollable, these offenders are able to control them in situations where adults are around and they would certainly be caught. This notion that free will can only exist in the absence of any genetically or neurologically induced tendencies is utter nonsense. In the end, we are only free when we take responsibility for our genes and neurons. They are us. There is no separate, innocent self, apart from the body. A man who molests children does so because he wants to, it is his will.
Posted by: Robert D at January 8, 2004 11:06 PMThe urge is a sickess, the decision to act apon it a crime. How is that difficult to understand?
Posted by: Amos at January 8, 2004 11:06 PMIf pedophillia is "a genetically over-determined impulse, an uncontrollable urge nestled in our DNA" then pedophiles should be more severly punished, and given (at least) life without parole, since rehabilitation or deterrance of future acts is not likely to succeed.
Posted by: Carter at January 9, 2004 12:17 AMWithout taking a position about how to treat pedophiles just now, "life without parole" is a joke.
Example. Just yesterday there was a shootout in Honolulu. 2 dead. One was sentenced to life without parole in 1985. He was out in 1997.
Do the math.
Posted by: Harry Eagar at January 9, 2004 01:52 AMAs far as I know, science has yet to find any impulse that cannot be over-ridden by humans, including the primal need to breathe.
Certainly, there are people who are driven to do things, but they can decide not to. They just don't have happy lives.
Even if we did find some affliction that was outside of human control, as Carter suggests, sufferers would have to be imprisoned or put to death, for the good of the community. They would be sacrificed, rather than punished, although such a distinction might be lost on the majority of those killed.
Posted by: THX 1138 at January 9, 2004 09:38 AMoj:
Under certain conditions, I would be able to resist drawing breath, until I died.
Yogis can slow their respiration to near zero. Also, their hearts.
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at January 9, 2004 09:08 PMNo, you really can't.
Posted by: oj at January 9, 2004 09:15 PMoj:
As you wish.
Are you then arguing that some of what you call "sins" are really, really NOT within the control of the sinner ?
Posted by: THX 1138 at January 9, 2004 10:37 PMBreathing isn't a sin.
Posted by: oj at January 9, 2004 10:44 PM