March 23, 2008


It's the end of Britain as we know it: The Lisbon Treaty spells the end of a sovereign Britain. (Stephen Webbe, March 24, 2008, CS Monitor)

This winter, 27 nations of the European Union (EU) signed the Treaty of Lisbon. You may think, "Innocuous enough," as Portuguese-inspired visions of the Tagus River and chicken piri-piri swirl before your eyes.

But for England (Britain, actually) the Treaty of Lisbon isn't that appetizing. That's because, if ratified, it will become the decisive act in this creation of a federal European superstate with its capital in Brussels. Britain would become a province and its "Mother of Parliaments," a regional assembly. And that's no small humiliation for a country that gave the world English and saved Western civilization in the Battle of Britain in 1940.

Posted by Orrin Judd at March 23, 2008 6:50 PM

Do you mean David Cameron? Are you serious? Do you think he's a Conservative? What is it that you think he is going to do? Do you know anything about Britain at all? Do you think that the Conservative Party is Conservative to any degree at all?

Posted by: Thaddeus Tremayne at March 23, 2008 9:38 PM

They don't need to be conservative, just opportunist.

Posted by: oj at March 24, 2008 7:22 AM

That is not an "opportunity" that any member of the British political class can or would grasp. Britain is in the EU until the EU itself collapses (and even then Mr. Cameron and his chums would be busy trying to revive it).

Posted by: Thaddeus Tremayne at March 24, 2008 6:05 PM

Sure, they can. Tony Blair, who actually was a conservative, had sense enough to keep them out. And Margaret Thatcher, the other successful PM of the 20th century, was anti-EU.

You can either argue that the Tories are totally cynical, in which case they're likely to seize on a good issue they don't believe in, or idealistic, in which case their Euphilia is explainable.

I think they're cynical.

Posted by: oj at March 24, 2008 8:01 PM

Every British Prime Minister from Edward Heath onwards has engineered or overseen ever-closer political union with Europe even while giving the appearance of being "anti" (especially Mrs. Thatcher who blustered with anti-EU rhetoric even while signing the Single European Act in 1986). We live in a land of lies. Blair was a committed EUphile as well as a fanatical anti-conservative.

I would rejoice if Cameron were to pull us out of the EU for whatever reasons, cynical or otherwise. But he won't. He can't.

However, if he does, I will cheerfully offer up an apology to you and admit that I was wrong.

Posted by: Thaddeus Tremayne at March 25, 2008 10:45 AM

Blair was cynical enough to quash the EU though, even if he loved it. That's as much political sense as Cameron needs.

Posted by: oj at March 25, 2008 11:45 AM

"Blair was cynical enough to quash the EU though.."

He did? Really? When? I must have missed that bit.

Posted by: Thaddeus Tremayne at March 26, 2008 2:13 PM