Libertarians are just conservatives that need to grow up.

Those people are measurable on a normal political scale. They're crazy.

"Aren't" not "are". Stupid typo reversed my whole point.

Libertarians are anarchists who own property.
I don't see how playing Dungeons and Dragons or liking science fiction has anything to do with being a transhumanist, though.

Drink me.

(But be warned: I'm a Bloody Mary trapped in a bottle of Mountain Dew.)

Free paid vactions for everyone?

What a sorry bunch of overgrown children.

You too can be one with your inner Zebra or cow or elephant.

How are these people any different from the folks who want act and behave just like their children? (The subject of a posting a few days ago.) Other than it seems these freaks don't breed well in captivity, so rarely have children, of course...

Sounds like these people would rather have CPUs controlled by the collective than real souls. After all, it's easier.

You have to wonder, though, at the accuracy of a report on something of this nature who doesn't know what a prothesis is. That's hardly a transhumanist invented word.

Also, I note that OJ's "logic" is "the Left took over and purged the libertarians, therefore libertarians are leftists". Could we then say that Christians are Communists because when Communists take over they purge the Christians?

AOG, If you want a two dimensional spectrum of political thought, then libertarians are on the Left. On the Right, you have man/woman marriage for life, the divine right of kings, respect for tradition. Ie, working with human nature. On the Left, a thousand different projects to deny human nature and build Utopia. Libertarians, as a political movement(as opposed to a vector within the Republican party) are unable to point out a successful human culture that lives or lived their ideals, and refuse to make one to show us the way. They have less courage and morals then the communists and are definitely on the Left.

Mr. Mitchell;

Once again you are arguing with the wrong person. It is OJ who wants the one-dimensional political spectrum.

And contrary to your statement, libertarians frequently point to the USA as an example of a nation that came quite close to living by libertarian ideals. Most of the ones I know think that moving back to a strict constructionist view of the Constitution in the USA would be about close as you can get in real life, which hardly seems like refusing to make one to show the way.

P.S. If the article is accurate, these transhumanists are indeed moonbats. It is for that reason I would prefer to not have libertarianism tarred with their beliefs, which seems reasonable since they had to run the libertarians out as well.

AOG, thanks for your thoughts. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear I was mocking the Libertarian party. They are moonbats, and should be tarred, and feathered. If they were serious, they would form communities, like the communists formed communes. Plenty of islands out there, it would be easy to buy one and get started.
Sad, really. I agree that we should have less regulations and "laws". It's a shame the Libertarians made the statists stronger by splitting the Republican party.
PS. one dimension is a point. Two dimensions is a line. But you knew that.

Robert: No, a point has zero dimension. A line has one, a plane has two.

The stereotypical libertarian is a young, single, college educated male. He thinks that he can survive completely on his own, and thinks that too many college girls will be turned off if he says he's a conservative. Daran's right about them.

The people in this article are the fringe of the fringe. The fact that the biggest name in the world of blogs is a transhumanist tells you something about the blogosphere, and why it shouldn't be taken seriously as anything but a curiousity. Certainly NOT a representative sample of American political thought, thank goodness.

Except that the libertarian ideal is a single white male by himself, so America, famous for associaions and civil society, is nothing like it.

AOG:

They didn't purge libertarians--they are libertarians.

Back in the 18th century, the Left was right.

As for transhumanism, I think tranhumanists and bioconservatives should bury the hatchet, preferably in their common enemy the Malthusians.

Bryan:

They think they're wizards.

B, I completly forgot the count starts at zero. Dang, it's been a long time.....

Mr. Hertzlinger, could you expand your thoughts? "In the 18th century the Left was right". Huh?

A while back, I'm told, there was a left-right battle for the soul of transhumanism, and the left won. Libertarians got a few nods at the conference, but mostly for opposing drug laws and the draft.

"I'm told"

b. is right about libertarians, but I don't think it only applies to young white males. I think a lot of people who are smart enough to have figured out that the left is wrong-headed, but know they would be shunned if they come out as conservatives, have discovered the perfect out.

Libertarian sounds enough like liberal that most people wouldn't even notice the difference. It's all semantics anyway because I doubt many libertarians realize that Libertarians have a shared system of beliefs. A while back I thought it might be something I could live with, but they were no less dogmatic and illogical than any of the religions I had studied.