March 23, 2006


Yanks start to wonder: Torre hopes for best from a thin rotation (Tony Massarotti, March 23, 2006, Boston Herald)

The New York Yankees are vulnerable in that worst of all places, their starting rotation, and you cannot help but wonder if Joe Torre knows it. There was simply little starting pitching to be had over the winter and the Yankees acquired none of it.

Like most everyone else in baseball entering the 2006 season, the Yankees can be had.

“These are the guys (we) brought to the dance,” Torre said when asked about his current stable of starting pitchers prior to last night’s game between the Red Sox and New York Yankees at Legends Field.

Shawn Chacon is a nice pitcher, but when he's your #1 you're in trouble.

Posted by Orrin Judd at March 23, 2006 7:28 AM

At least Mariano looks strong. Who's the go-to set-up guy?

Posted by: Tom C., Stamford,Ct. at March 23, 2006 7:53 AM

They signed Kyle Farnsworth in the offseason for the middle relief position. He needs to earn his salary this season, and figures to get a lot of opportunities to do it.

Posted by: John at March 23, 2006 9:15 AM

$50 says they sign Clemens after June 1st for more than $25 million. Any takers?

Posted by: joe shropshire at March 23, 2006 10:24 AM

And to think everyone down here criticized the Rockies for fleecing the Yankees, er, giving Chacon to them.

Posted by: Brad S at March 23, 2006 10:36 AM

Well, they'll be the team on the 10 side of the scoreline, so it won't matter.

As with last year, when the pitching situation was worse than this year, the Yanks won't live and die with their starting pitching, tho they're still paying for the disastrous decisions to sign Palvano and Wright in 05, a move that every Yankee fan knew was wrong.

It's their middle relief, and especially their hitting with runners in scoring position, which was dreadful last year, that will decide whether they merely win the AL East as they did last year, or they win it all.

RJ's still the ace btw, and based on how he ptiched last year, Chacon would probably be near the top of the Sawx rotation as well, certainly ahead of the likes of Clement, Wells, and Wakefield.

Yanks also have another Wang ready to go at Columbus in Mr. DeSalvo.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 23, 2006 11:11 AM

I'm readying the official BrothersJudd World Cup handicapping post btw. I'll have it ready to go before the first ball is kicked.

Just give me the word.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 23, 2006 11:20 AM

For your Metric Football pool tiebreaker, you should ask for the number of English soccer fans arrested and deported.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at March 23, 2006 11:52 AM

The pitching is worse this year--Johnson & Mussina older & you know for sure the other guys can't cut in in NYC.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 12:11 PM

Last year they went into the season with two guys with bad shoulders in Pavano and Wright, and without Wang and Chacon.

It's true Mussina and Johnson are older, and frankly I'm not counting on Mussina providing much this year, but I feel better going into this year.

Last year everything that could go wrong did, and yet they still won the division.

If the pitching implodes in Aprl and May the way it did last year, we have Clemens to fall back on, and several of teh Columbus kids did well enough in spring training that they can be used as trade bait for an innings eater.

The kids aren't Yankee material, but they could play for other, lesser, teams a la Marcus Thames, Juan Rivera, and Willy Mo. Besides they're expendable given the Yanks have a number of blue chip 18 -19 year olds lower down in the system.

It's good to be the king.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 23, 2006 12:26 PM

Wang's arm is screwed--he won't throw a hundred innings. Chacon is a nice improvement over everyone else, but everyone else is still there.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 12:29 PM

We'll just have to see.

I forgot to add that besides Willy Mo, the Sawx will be starting another two Yankees cast-off minor leaguers in J.T. Snow and Mike Lowell. Can't cut in the Bronx? There's always room for you on Yawkey Way!

Adam Stern looked great last night btw.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 23, 2006 1:08 PM

Lowell at 3b, Snow at 1b, Gonzo at ss, Loretta at 2B gives them the best infield defense they may ever have had. Pena will figure out the of fast enough, leaving only LF as a defensive hole.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 1:42 PM

At the end of 2005 season, the Red Sox were the second best tean in the division and fourth best in the league. After all the changes, that is where they remain.

The Res Sox starters are no better than the Yankees really. The Sox bullpen is not as good. Who is the closer? The Sox offense is not as good. So, how will they overtake the Yankees?

Posted by: Bob at March 23, 2006 3:17 PM

The starters are substantially better and the bullpen deeper, though obviously Rivera is the best in either bullpen. The last time he had this little protection though he was useless by the playoffs.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 3:40 PM

Ah, the glorious logic of the baseball fanatic--your team is one year older, but my team is one year better...

Posted by: b at March 23, 2006 5:16 PM

Randy Johnson is one year older. Josh Beckett is 25.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 5:23 PM

Hey, I've got no dog in this fight. Johnson's a has-been. Beckett's a never-will-be.

Posted by: b at March 23, 2006 5:27 PM

Never will be what? He's a dominant starter and World Series MVP at 25.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 5:31 PM

Beckett's a guy who can't pitch more than 150 innings in a season w/o his arm falling off. He's the Sawx Jaret Wright.

Yanks pen is the best it's been since the 1998-2000 run. And Brent Cox will be up after the All-star break.

Red Sawx nation, the bi-polar pt of the baseball world. No other teams fans are more excited in March, more depressed come September.

Here's hoping that between them Bloody Sock and Beckett can manage 200 innings just to keep it interesting.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 23, 2006 6:45 PM

Beckett's innings pitched has increased each year, which is what you'd expect and we've enjoyed every Fall in recent years.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 6:52 PM


1986 23 BOS AL 24 4 33 33 10 1 0 0 254.0 179 77 70 21 67 238 4 11 997 0 3 2.48 4.19 169 0.969

Yeah, Beckett will be right up there any year now...

Posted by: joe shropshire at March 23, 2006 7:04 PM

At 23 Beckett was the World Series MVP.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 7:10 PM

Beckett is good. But it is just not true that the rest of the Sox starters are better than the Yankees.

Posted by: Bob at March 23, 2006 8:26 PM

Let's not be silly here. If you were picking a team for just this year, you'd take Schilling over Johnson, Beckett over Mussina, Chacon over Wakefield, Clement over Wang, Wells over Small, Pavano or Papelbon, Lester or Wright.

Posted by: oj at March 23, 2006 9:04 PM

Sox rotation is stronger than the Yanks on paper but of course actual results will differ.

Let's see how the Yanks do when Giambi and Sheffied are out due to steriods, Damon on is on the DL with his bad shoulder, and Johnson can't pitch because of his back.

Posted by: AWW at March 23, 2006 9:05 PM

Why would anyone take Bloody Sock over RJ?

Mussina's in decline, but he'll still eat of up twice the number of innings as Boston's answer to Jaret Wright.

I actually think going into the season that Wakefield might be the best of the lot -- both teams -- b/c there's no question mark about him. You know what he'll give you. Lots of innings and a shot at winning every time he steps out.

Every other starter and potential starter on both teams as age (young or old) and/or arm issues. Even with Chacon you don't know if he can do it a whole season.

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at March 24, 2006 1:37 AM


No GM would take Johnson and Mussina over Schilling and Beckett.

Posted by: oj at March 24, 2006 8:24 AM

No one would pick Schilling over Johnson. You're right on Beckett of course (he's 15 years younger) but wrong on Wells too.

Posted by: Bob at March 24, 2006 10:35 AM

Who would take Aaron Small over Wells?

Posted by: oj at March 24, 2006 10:43 AM