February 28, 2006


China warns Taiwan of 'disaster' (BBC, 2/28/06)

China has warned that Taiwan's decision to scrap a council on reunification with the mainland could bring disaster.

The move will "create antagonism and conflict within Taiwan and across the strait," China's ruling Communist Party and government said in a statement.

Mr Chen announced on Monday that the National Unification Council and its guidelines would "cease to function" due to China's "military threat".

China said Mr Chen was pushing Taiwan towards formal independence.

No one is well-served by continuing the illusion that Taiwan and Palestine are not already sovereign states.

Posted by Orrin Judd at February 28, 2006 9:39 AM

Taiwan and Palestine, an interesting juxtaposition of polar opposites. Taiwan proves that capitalism and peace show the way to prosperity while Palestine proves that dependency on handouts and violence insures poverty and despair.

Posted by: erp at February 28, 2006 11:45 AM


Taiwan demonstrates the unbelievable advantages of being an island, nearly every one of which is thriving today.

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2006 11:49 AM

The idea that Palestine is a sovereign state and should be expected to handle those responsibilities is bizarre. They have just elected a government who proposes the elimination of Israel and the establishement of Jerusalem, a town over which they have no power as their capital. Their traditions are in ruins, their infrastructure is a mess. The can make no move without being yanked by on or another of several external forces. Most of their country men do not live in any place that could reasonably be called Palestine.

The notion of Palestine as a soveriegn entity in its present condition is self serving for those who proclaim it. Taiwan functions as a nation. The two are completely different. Palestinians are ignored until they become inconvienient. Then they are fed nostrums about nationhood. Mostly they are told to just shut up. The whole idea of a Palestinian nation is abstraction to placate the west's anxiety about what a mess the creation of Israel has made.

Posted by: exclab at February 28, 2006 11:58 AM

Exactly, which is why the US and Israel should just recognize it as a sovereign state and force even more responsibility on Hamas. We're not going to treat them like a colony, so treat them like a state.

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2006 12:02 PM

Sun. March 5 11:00 am (Japanese time)
9:00 pm (Sat) EST:

Chinese Taipei v China Tokyo Dome

World Baseball Classic

Posted by: Jim in Chicago at February 28, 2006 12:27 PM

Oh, the poor Palestinians. Too bad they have no responsibility whatsoever for their current mess.

Posted by: David Cohen at February 28, 2006 1:07 PM

oj. Interesting observation. You think that their island status is the reason for Taiwan's prosperity, not the incredible energy, hard work and genius of their people? A friend went to visit some colleagues last summer and was astonished by their progress even since the last time she was there some 10-15 years ago.

Posted by: erp at February 28, 2006 2:06 PM

What's happening with these double posts again? I swear I'm only clicking "post" once.

Posted by: erp at February 28, 2006 2:09 PM


It's not the whole of the matter, but a huge chunk:


Posted by: oj at February 28, 2006 2:12 PM

erp: I got a double post a couple of hours ago. Must be some kind of Commie plot.

Obviously, "sovereignity" means something different when applied to "Palestine." Why don't they just ask the Americans what "Palestine" is? We know an Indian reservation when we see one.

Posted by: Lou Gots at February 28, 2006 2:20 PM

Israel is unwilling to be as ruthless to Palestinians as we were to the Indians, so they get a worse deal.

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2006 2:24 PM


I think they are less ruthless because they are watched. The americans were mostly ignored and allowed to clear the land of the offensive race. This is not the case with the Palestinians who also have a large number of associated groups outside the area to whom they can make appeals. But you are right. The israelis suffer because unlike other civilizations they were not permitted to eliminate the indigenous race. But they are a resourceful lot and may yet join the blood orgy which is civilization. Then they too will boast some appalling massacre that they can romantasize as we do the american indians, with mournful melodramas like "Dances with Wolves".

Reminds one of all those towns in England with Celtic names. Or the bones of Cro-magnon. It's odd that uncivilized people never achieve these levels of killing. Yet for civilized people it has always been a fundamental principal of social organization.

Posted by: exclab at February 28, 2006 5:00 PM


They could and they may still, but they don't have the will to now. We did and we generally do--as witness Hiroishima and Nagasaki.

Posted by: oj at February 28, 2006 5:04 PM

exclab: We fought the British twice for the right to wrest the land from the savage, thank you very much.

Our right to open the frontier was not the only cause for the wars against Britain, but it was a major issue.

Posted by: Lou Gots at February 28, 2006 5:47 PM

It's not that uncivilized people don't want to engage in genocide, it's that they don't have the tools -- which is, more or less, what uncivilized means.

Posted by: David Cohen at February 28, 2006 7:05 PM

[Mr.] Cohen

You may be right. It may also be that that is what makes people civilized, the need to dominate. It maybe that some groups don't actually want to hurt other people and so they do not progress in the same way. In any case, civilization is a devil's bargain. It's fraught with personal and moral anxiety but jet planes and AC don't suck. Or do they? I'm not sure.

Posted by: exclab at March 1, 2006 11:56 AM
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