January 5, 2006

AND REDDER:

Poll Finds High School Seniors Take Pro-Life Position on Abortion (Steven Ertelt, January 5, 2006, LifeNews.com)

A new national poll finds high school seniors take a pro-life position on abortion saying it's morally wrong and supporting legislative proposals that would limit abortions and help women find alternatives. The poll also found 72 percent of females in the class of 2006 would not consider an abortion if they became pregnant.

The Hamilton College poll found a majority of high school seniors do not believe abortions should be allowed for sociological reasons such as when women are too poor to afford another child or unable to have a baby at the time.

Studies from the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood, find approximately 95 percent of all abortions are done for such reasons, while less than 5 percent are for rape or incest or to save the life of the mother.

When asked, some 67 percent of high school seniors said abortion is either always (23%) or usually (44%) morally wrong. Just 31 percent said it was a morally correct decision.

Posted by Orrin Judd at January 5, 2006 8:19 PM
Comments

23% say its always wrong; 31% say its ok. What are you so happy about?

Posted by: Grog at January 5, 2006 9:01 PM

hey grog: keep taking the pro-murder position, and the 40% party will soon be the 31% party. Didn't you think that the abortion issue was settled once and for all, in 1973? What the Supreme Court giveth, the Supreme Court taketh away.

Posted by: sam at January 5, 2006 9:25 PM

Yes, the 44% who believe abortion is "usually" morally wrong are insufficiently pure for Grog! Grog smash!

Posted by: Timothy at January 5, 2006 9:31 PM

It like reading The Nation. One just cannot believe that anyone smart enough to rememeber to breath in and out can be so obtuse: it has to be some sort of trick.

67%/two-thirds/a Constitutional supermajority of young people believe that the baby-killing known as abortion is at least usually wrong. Timothy is on the right track--talking to the people on the pro-death side is like talking to the profoundly retarded. If someone looks at that data and does not conclude what the numbers plainly indicate, he has to be too dumb to dial 911--dumber than a cat.

23% hold that baby-killing is always wrong: Hitler, Stalin, an abortionist, two bullets and they shoot the abortionist twice. 44% find it usually wrong, the way knocking your fellow life-boat passenger on the head and eating his flesh is usually wrong.

Go to it, Tovarisch! Raise high the dead-baby flag. Here's another great idea: tell everybody that you want to BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS.


Posted by: Lou Gots at January 5, 2006 10:00 PM

Grog:

That we're headed from a 60-40 nation to 70-30, ironically, thanks in part to demographics.

Posted by: oj at January 5, 2006 10:36 PM

Well, I'm glad you guys at least have statistics to make you happy, when the real world refuses to agree with you.

Posted by: Grog at January 5, 2006 10:42 PM

Oh, and you might want to look at this:

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

Posted by: Grog at January 5, 2006 10:55 PM

Grog:

Since Reagan made the party pro-life in '80 the only polls that matter have told us that Americans agree.

Posted by: oj at January 5, 2006 10:58 PM

Grog: Have you noticed the change in nationwide legislative strengths of the Republican and Democratic parties between the 1970's and now? The permanent Democratic majority, eh? It isn't the 70's no more, comrade. That was you pinnacle, tough luck.

Posted by: sam at January 5, 2006 11:06 PM

It doesn't surprise me that more kids are pro-life. They are bombarded with images of promiscuity and given abortion as the only answer. This nihilism has to take its toll on the one group of people who are usually the most optimistic. That they are concluding that abortion isn't "usually" moral, that's about the strongest answer you are going to get from a group that frequently can't decide between these jeans and those jeans.

Posted by: sharon at January 5, 2006 11:58 PM

Only forty percent of the country actually votes. The other 60% are disgusted with the choiced they have and are waiting for a new system to come along and save them.
I swear you guys spend half of your time on this blog convincing yourselves that your opinions are shared by the majority of Americans. Seems kind of strange to me, and its something I don't find as much on other blogs.

Posted by: Grog at January 6, 2006 3:25 AM

OJ: The only polls that matter are the ones that confirm your personal bias. Frankly, I don't care about the polls.

Sam: I wish the Democrats would die as quick as possible so that there could be some kind of real opposition to the Republicans, who are more popular because they have better control over a wider number of issues, are much better funded, and serve the interests of the richest group of people and organizations on the planet. Its no suprise they're kicking the Dems butts.

Sharon: I agree with you, but I think that sexual education and widespread promotion of cheap and available birth control will make for less unnecessary abortions.

Posted by: Grog at January 6, 2006 3:31 AM

Consider some other facts, too:

*The average age of the "father" who gets a teen girl pregnant is six years older than the girl. (I'm on the board of directors of an NGO that provides prenatal services to disadvantaged women, and I got that stat from our medical director, so I trust it.)

*A plurality (if not majority) of women who have abortions are pressured to do so by the "father." (That's from Planned Parenthood's R&D outfit, the Alan Guttmacher Institute.)

Put those two facts together, and you get a very common scenario: creepy older guy hits on teen girl, teen girl gets pregnant, creepy older guy pressures her and drives her to the clinic to avoid a statutory rape charge and eighteen years of child support, creepy older guy then dumps her and goes off in search of a new source of gratification. That is to say, the abortion is not about the "woman's right to choose," it's about the creepy older "man" exercising his right to--pardon my language--screw little girls without consequence.

How many high school seniors have either experienced this directly or know someone who has? Probably quite a few. Think that might not be having an effect on their opinions?

(Note also that this is the one abortion scenario that is never depicted in popular entertainment. Why is that, I wonder.)

Posted by: Mike Morley at January 6, 2006 7:22 AM

Grog:

Yes, we call them elections.

Posted by: oj at January 6, 2006 7:37 AM

Grog:

You want cheap and easy birth control? Try abstinence. Works every time, 100% effective. I've been on it for 20 years now and never had an unintentional pregnency yet.

Posted by: Jay at January 6, 2006 11:33 AM

Abstinence is the only effective birth control, particularly for teenagers. How many teens do you know who can't even keep up with their homework, let alone birth control?

Posted by: sharon at January 6, 2006 1:28 PM

Grog writes:

I think that sexual education and widespread promotion of cheap and available birth control will make for less unnecessary abortions.
That's been tried here and elsewhere for decades. It failed, see the statistics in earlier in this thread. Next!

Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at January 6, 2006 1:36 PM

All that sexual education and widespread promotion of cheap and available birth control do is to make nubile young things more easily available to creepy, predatory, irresponsible guys.

Posted by: Mike Morley at January 6, 2006 2:49 PM

Wooderson: That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age.

Posted by: toe at January 6, 2006 4:31 PM

Any young person born after 1973 has to consider himself/herself an abortion survivor. It is natural that they would find the practice immoral.

Posted by: Robert Duquette at January 6, 2006 6:07 PM

Grog:

Man, do you guys all think alike. Have you ever talked to people who don't vote? Most of them couldn't care less about politics and their failure to vote is a reflection of their apathy, not discontent. They occasionally bitch about their failure to find a perfect candidate, and when you ask them what they're looking for, they give uninformed, vague answers. They're just looking for some rationalization to explain their lack of interest (although it's not as bad as you suggest: 60% of eligible voters participated in the last election, not 40%).

There is no widespread discontent in this country. When asked, people repeatedly answer that they're happy with their lives.

There ain't gonna be no revolution, comrade. Not here.

Posted by: Matt Murphy at January 6, 2006 7:39 PM

Actually, the polls I've seen indicate that nonvoting opinion breaks down more or less the same way as that of voters.

"Usually morally wrong" is abortion-speak for allowing it to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape and incest.

Posted by: David Cohen at January 7, 2006 12:11 AM
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