July 14, 2005


U.S. Says It Captured 2 Key Members of Al Qaeda in Iraq (KIRK SEMPLE, 7/14/05, NY Times)

The American military said today that it had captured two men who it believed were high-ranking members of Al Qaeda in Iraq, including one suspected of being involved in the kidnapping and killing of Egypt's top diplomat here.

In a statement, the military said the two men, Abdullah Ibrahim Muhammed Hassan al Shadad, also known as Abu Abdul Aziz, and Khamis Farhan Khalaf Abd al Fahdawi, also known as Abu Seba, had ties to the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. They were among more than 30 militants captured during several recent raids, the military said.

It said Abu Abdul Aziz served Mr. Zarqawi as a terrorist cell leader and was captured in Baghdad on July 10. Abu Seba was captured in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, on July 9 and was suspected in attacks against the diplomats of Bahrain, Pakistan and the recent murder of the Egyptian envoy, Ihab al-Sharif.

Posted by Orrin Judd at July 14, 2005 12:58 PM

think the egyptian security services had anything to do with th etimeliness of these captures ? we should dole out our aid to mubarak, one head at a time.

Posted by: cjm at July 14, 2005 1:06 PM

think the egyptian security services had anything to do with th etimeliness of these captures ? we should dole out our aid to mubarak, one head at a time.

Posted by: cjm at July 14, 2005 1:20 PM

Al Qaeda in Iraq? But that's not possible! John Edwards said so (along with every other brain-dead Democrat and leftist).

Posted by: ratbert at July 14, 2005 2:03 PM

This gets pretty tiresome. Everybody is a 'key member', a terror 'mastermind', a terrorist 'chieftain.' Stop with the hype. Just give me a buzz when the military decides to break into the Hotel Carlton in Cannes or the Hotel des Princes in Monte Carlo and arrests Osama. But given the importance of Saudi money to the lifestyles of the elected and appointed in America, I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: bart at July 14, 2005 3:55 PM

Bush's Saudi paymasters told him to establish a Shi'ite democracy on their doorstep ?

The House of Saud plays a deep game indeed.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at July 14, 2005 4:05 PM

Osama's dead and the Sa'uds took care of their al Qaeda problem.

Posted by: oj at July 14, 2005 4:11 PM


Statements like that make me wonder if Osama isn't at your house. Under your bed. Or even closer.

Posted by: ratbert at July 14, 2005 4:21 PM

Considering that we have like $25 million out there waiting for someone to turn over to us evidence about Osama live or dead, I have a great deal of trouble believing that the Code of Omerta operates so clearly in Afghanistan(per capita GDP $700) and Pakistan (per capita GDP $2100) that if he were a corpse that there wouldn't be armies of local tribesmen with their hands out pointing him out to us.

The guy needs dialysis on a regular basis. There is only a certain number of dialysis machines in the world and virtually none in the Third World. In the First World, they are either owned by the government or subject to government licensing. Find the dialysis machines, find Osama. It's just that simple.

Another simple fact. Saudi Arabia continues to sponsor terror and training camps for terror, called madrassas, all over the world. The easiest way to fight terror is to end our need for OPEC oil, yet our political class refuses even to consider readily available alternatives. Why is that?

Posted by: bart at July 14, 2005 5:35 PM

Bart: Curt Weldon insists he has reliable intelligence that Osama is in Iran, which would account for the availability of dialysis and that the rewards haven't worked.

Posted by: jd watson at July 14, 2005 5:44 PM

Yes, Osama is probably living in Iran and perhaps visiting Pakistan from time to time. I'm surprised Bart thinks Osama's sheltering in France, I'm as anti-French as they come and even I wouldn't accuse them of that. And why he thinks it would be cheaper to move Osama to France than a French dialysis machine to Osama, I don't know.

Posted by: pj at July 14, 2005 5:59 PM


One does not simplify by complexifying. The reason no one claims the reward is they can't get to the corpse in a collpased cave in Tora Bora.

Posted by: oj at July 14, 2005 6:01 PM

If he's in Iran, then we demand that they turn him over to us for trial or it is a casus belli.

Nobody in the civilized world would criticize our right to get bin Laden, that bin Laden must at the very least face a trial for his crimes committed against Americans. There is no lack of willingness on the part of Americans to pretty much use our entire arsenal on Iran. And if the Iranians are stupid enough to be housing bin Laden, then they truly deserve to be on the scrap heap of history, just as a matter of cleaning up the gene pool.

IOW, the chance that he is anywhere in Iran is about the same as his being in Tel Aviv, and significantly less than his being in one of the better Manhattan hotels and dining at Elaine's or Le Cirque on a regular basis.

Posted by: bart at July 14, 2005 6:02 PM

Porter Goss essentially said that we think he's in Iran a few weeks ago: "In an interview with TIME magazine published Sunday, Goss said part of the difficulty in capturing bin Laden was 'sanctuaries in sovereign nations.'" (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/20/goss.bin.laden/)

Until we see a body, I won't believe he's not buried under a mountain in Tora Bora...

Posted by: b at July 14, 2005 6:08 PM


He's in France because the Cote d'Azur is where Saudi oil sheiks go this time of year for gambling, boozing, whoring and gorging. In winter, it's Punta del Este in Uruguay or perhaps Rio. The French aren't sheltering him any more or less than the American 'intelligence services' are. Like most things in life, it boils down to cash.


If Osama were dead in a cave in Tora Bora, lots of people in the area would know about it and lots of them would know how to get there. They're mountain people they know how to get around in caves. Osama is rich and the Muslims have a tradition of robbing corpses(viz. treatment of dead American GIs at Kasserine Pass) which would only provide further incentive to find Osama if he were dead.

Posted by: bart at July 14, 2005 6:10 PM

Phew, my cover remains safe. I thought the one called Bart had seen through my clever disguise, but the others are ignoring him as usual. Wait, am I typing out loud. No, Achmed, don't hit pos

Posted by: David Cohen at July 14, 2005 6:16 PM


Yes, they knew the caves, that's why we caved them in.

Posted by: oj at July 14, 2005 6:40 PM


The corpus ain't never gonna be habeused.

Posted by: oj at July 14, 2005 6:40 PM

Why wouldn't the Mossad protect him, since it has us running around doing Israel's dirty work?

Posted by: oj at July 14, 2005 6:42 PM

oj: Yes, I know. To remove the double negative in my statement: Until we see a body, I believe he's buried under a mountain in Tora Bora...

Posted by: b at July 14, 2005 6:50 PM

He might be in Iran. He might be in Pakistan. He might be dead.

One place where he isn't is France. It staggers reason to think that the French or the Saudis are sheltering him. What do they gain? What would they lose when the truth comes out? He is very tall and has the second most famous face in the world. So, the chances of him being hid in plain sight as Bart suggests is so low that only Bart would believe it possible.

Posted by: Bob at July 14, 2005 9:04 PM

If he's in France, does that mean the Bush doctrine isn't working?

Posted by: Al Cornpone at July 14, 2005 9:09 PM

It is far more likely that he is in Cambridge (MA) than Europe. Or perhaps Alameda/Marin County? But not NY.

Posted by: ratbert at July 14, 2005 10:12 PM

Maybe someone should do a check of W. Mark Felt's house...

Posted by: John at July 15, 2005 12:32 AM

"the Sa'uds took care of their al Qaeda problem."

OJ: They wacked a few low level ops to keep the Americans happy. When you start hearing about "princes" and members of the "royal family" disappearing or dying untimely, you will know they are cracking down. Until then, keep your guard up.

Posted by: Robert Schwartz at July 15, 2005 2:06 AM


You obviously have no idea about the kind of security available to the rich and powerful in a major resort destination. Bin Laden is not strolling down the Boulevard de la Croisiere like those of us mere mortals in the seafront apartments. He isn't hanging out on the casino floor waiting for his chance at the slot machines.

Those sorts of folks get private suites, with their own roulette croupiers and baccarat dealers, private jacuzzis, wet bars, their food gets sent up, they have call girls sent up, they register under assumed names and aliases. That's how all the other Saudi 'royals' do it.

Posted by: bart at July 15, 2005 8:16 AM

Chirac is.

Posted by: oj at July 15, 2005 8:23 AM

But he's been on the payroll since the early 70s.

Posted by: bart at July 15, 2005 8:41 AM

a couple of years ago, a handful of saudi princes did die under mysterious circumstances, within a few months of each other. maybe that was a little house cleaning going on.

Posted by: cjm at July 15, 2005 9:55 AM

Yeah one of them had a horse win the Kentucky Derby. Was it War Emblem?

Posted by: h-man at July 15, 2005 4:00 PM

Jihad Biscuit

Posted by: cjm at July 15, 2005 4:49 PM