July 28, 2005


Child abuse gang horrifies France (Sarah Shenker, 7/28/05, BBC News)

France has been shocked by the scale of abuse revealed at the Angers paedophile trial, where 65 adults were accused of sexually abusing 45 children.

It was the biggest criminal trial in recent French history.

The abused were aged from six months to 14 years, and some of them were prostituted and raped by their own parents and grandparents, in a poor district of the town in western France.

Sometimes they were offered to strangers in return for small amounts of money, food, alcohol or cigarettes.

Normally in France you only get this kind of behavior when the Germans invade.

Posted by Orrin Judd at July 28, 2005 8:31 AM

This is so horrible, it doesn't merit a flip or sarcastic remark. It makes me literally sick.

”These were people in difficulty, excluded from normal society, who found each other."

Found each other? Why did it take the authorities so long to find them?

Posted by: erp at July 29, 2005 11:32 AM

Their neighbors didn't turn them in?

We just shoved off another Catholic clergyman for child rape today, which gets us up to about 20% of the local clergy.

Orrin's fantasy that the problem arose because of recruitment of homosexuals into American seminaries for lack of heterosexuals won't wash, either, because our first went to a seminary in the Philippines and this one is a deacon.

At least the local Catholics have learned to stop saying they are shocked.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at July 29, 2005 5:23 PM


With the Church don't the parents usually pay instead of accepting payment?

Posted by: oj at July 29, 2005 8:11 PM

This case doesn't sound right. If they are living outside the system in France, and that is not easy to do, then they are either illegal immigrants from North Africa, or, given the names of the perpetrators, Gypsies. The use of child prostitutes and the illiteracy of the people involved makes me think it's Gypsies.

Posted by: bart at July 30, 2005 10:45 AM

That's not why you think its gypsies.

Posted by: oj at July 30, 2005 12:47 PM


France has an exceptional bureaucracy, many of its best and brightest are part of it, and the economy is structured so that being a bureaucrat is as desirable for a Frenchman as being an investment banker is for an American.

Very few people drop out of the system as the perpetrators here did. When they do, there is a reason why that is the case. Just as in America, Gypsies are for the most part illiterate, having never attended school, and because they do not work in the system they have no ID cards, numbers etc. In America, the Gypsies, like the Travellers who hid Eric Rudolph, do not have SSNs, do not send their kids to school, and have no connection to the system, earning a living on the fringes.

In France, there are certain things that are universally associated with Gypsies. Child prostitution is one. They bring kids in from the Balkans and set them to work. They also use children as pickpockets. French people will carry umbrellas with them on sunny days, because if they encounter Gypsy children trying to surround and rob them, they beat them off with the umbrella. Been there, done that. France has no laws for crimes committed by children under 12.

Again, OJ, if you have a problem with what I'm saying if you think I'm being racist or stating things contrary to fact, at least have the courtesy to counter what I'm saying and to identify where I'm being racist or unfair. Otherwise, your comments are little more than childish.

Posted by: bart at July 30, 2005 7:49 PM

"exceptional bureaucracy" prevents further reading.

Posted by: oj at July 30, 2005 7:54 PM