June 27, 2005


In the south, a bid to loosen Baghdad's grip (Steven Vincent, 6/28/05, The Christian Science Monitor)

Crowded into a narrow room beneath an image of the Shiite icon Imam Ali, members of the Garamsha tribe drink tea and discuss current events with visiting journalists. Though reputedly behind most of the car thefts, hijackings, and kidnappings roiling this southern city, the tribesmen seem more interested in politics.

"Baghdad is so violent now, we are uncomfortable linking our fate with it," says Tariq Hamid, as his fellow clan leaders nod. "We support a decentralized form of government, where Basra controls its own affairs."

Like the Kurds to the north, the Shiites of Iraq's southern regions have long bristled under Baghdad's centralized and often brutal control. But with their security relatively stable and newly elected officials in office - particularly the increasingly independent provincial Governing Councils (GCs) - southern Iraqis are pressing the case for decentralization, or federalism.

Kurdistan was always going to be sovereign eventually--why not just cut to the chase and divvy up the place?

Posted by Orrin Judd at June 27, 2005 11:22 PM

Ecclesiastes, again. Lots of things are inevitable in the long run. Gotta get through a string of short run changes first.

Posted by: ghostcat at June 28, 2005 12:28 AM


And I've been saying this for how long?

Posted by: bart at June 28, 2005 6:31 AM

Don't know. No one listens.

It's been obvious since at least the 80's, if not the 20s.

Posted by: oj at June 28, 2005 6:56 AM

Proving again, that anyone who doesn't, should be.

Posted by: bart at June 28, 2005 8:06 AM


Posted by: oj at June 28, 2005 8:28 AM

Because once again, I'm proved to be 100% correct.

Posted by: bart at June 28, 2005 8:52 AM

An independent Kurdistan will provide a safe haven and begin subisdizing Kurdish rebels in eastern Turkey almost immediately.

Posted by: Brandon at June 28, 2005 11:30 AM


Southern Turkey and Eastern Syria are Kurdistan.

Posted by: oj at June 28, 2005 1:01 PM


Aping the party line is hardly significant.

Posted by: oj at June 28, 2005 1:11 PM

I, for one, find Bart's contributions generally constructive and informative, and well worth reading.

Far more so than than dismissive ad hominems.

Posted by: Jeff Guinn at June 29, 2005 11:39 AM


Yes, you get to see them only after they're editted and deleted for racism, homicidal bigotry, and various other hatreds.

Posted by: oj at June 29, 2005 12:02 PM
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