June 30, 2004

SEPARATED AT BIRTH

Ralph Nader: Conservatively Speaking: The long-time progressive makes a pitch for the disenfranchised Right (American Conservative, 6/21/04)

Ralph Nader recently accepted Pat Buchanan’s invitation to sit down with us and explain why his third-party presidential bid ought to appeal to conservatives disaffected with George W. Bush. We think readers will be interested in the reflections of a man who has been a major figure in American public life for 40 years—and who now finds himself that rarest of birds, a conviction politician.

Pat Buchanan: Let me start off with foreign policy—Iraq and the Middle East. You have seen the polls indicating widespread contempt for the United States abroad. Why do they hate us?

Ralph Nader: First of all, we have been supporting despots, dictators, and oligarchs in all those states for a variety of purposes. We supported Saddam Hussein. He was our anti-Communist dictator until 1990. It’s also cultural; they see corporate culture as abandoning the restraints on personal behavior dictated by their religion and culture. Our corporate pornography and anything-goes values are profoundly offensive to them.

The whole interview is worth reading, but Pat should be ashamed of "Why do they hate us?" That is not a conservative question.

Posted by David Cohen at June 30, 2004 2:06 PM
Comments

Nor is it a rational one.

Posted by: Chris at June 30, 2004 2:28 PM

I always considered those terms synomyms.

Posted by: David Cohen at June 30, 2004 2:31 PM

what's a 'synomym' ?

Posted by: JonofAtlanta at June 30, 2004 2:55 PM

I'm sorry. I meant symonym.

Posted by: David Cohen at June 30, 2004 3:00 PM

Nader's response seems contrary to evidence. When we were supporting dictators we had no difficulty; it was overthrowing dictators that got us hated.

Posted by: pj at June 30, 2004 4:38 PM

What strange days we live in . . . when paranoid leftist anti-Semite Ralph Nader gives a speech that could just as easily been given by paranoid rightist anti-Semite Pat Buchanan.

Posted by: Mike Morley at June 30, 2004 5:09 PM

The truth is that Pat Buchanan has long hated the Bush family and the Jews. Any action taken by a member of the Bush family or any action that supports Israel will always be criticized by Pat Buchanan. There is no reason to listen to him.

Posted by: V ince at June 30, 2004 7:10 PM

David:

Doesn't the far Right tend to hate America just as much as the Left?

Posted by: oj at June 30, 2004 9:23 PM

OJ:

Depends how far you go. Lots of people would claim that we are on the far right. I won't speak for you, but I love America. Pat is farther out there than either of us, but I wouldn't claim that he doesn't love America, he's just blind to what America really is.

Posted by: David Cohen at June 30, 2004 10:44 PM

Pat loves an America that exists in his mind only, a memory from the 1950s, when he would drink and be boisterous and just be so Irish, and it was fun. He loved working for Nixon and Reagan because he was fighting the Huns who were sweeping across the land. But now, he is a small man with fractured memories. Too bad.

Posted by: jim hamlen at June 30, 2004 11:49 PM

"Its also cultural; they see corporate culture as abandoning the restraints on personal behavior dictated by their religion and culture."

When their religion and culture dictate that young girls should be allowed to burn to death in a fire rather than let them run to safety unveiled, then it is the only right thing to get them to abandon those restraints. If it is good and proper for foreigners to denigrate our national culture, why should we stay silent on the moral outrages of their culture?

Posted by: Robert Duquette at July 1, 2004 1:27 AM

The Malthusian left meets the nativist right... Why is that astonishing?

Posted by: Joseph Hertzlinger at July 1, 2004 1:30 AM

I do like the part about the puppets.

Who knew that either Pat or Ralph, their nimble intellects generally involved with weighty socio-economic and political issues, had such an enthusiastic appreciation of this versatile art form?

Still, what I don't quite understand---though I'm sure there's an explanation---is how, or why for that matter, the former president and his admiinistration weres able to be manipulated by the Israeli pro-peace puppets in the 90s.

Or how the current Israeli puppet master persuaded the puppets in the current administration to attack either Afghanistan or Saddam. (Wouldn't it have been easier to get the puppets to destroy Arafat, Hamas and Hizbullah.)

Maybe it's just me. But there must be cogent reasons. Perhaps it is true that the puppet masters pulled the strings that led to 9/11? Most of the Arab and Muslim world believes it, along with significant swatches of Europe. North America and Australia too.

Indeed, one is well aware that Sharon does not only pull strings in Washington but has been actively manipulating the mullahs to defiantly develop nuclear weapons (or at least claim they are developing nuclear weapons---those Zionists are a clever bunch, so you never know), with the intention of then pulling more strings in Washington to get the US to destroy the mullahs' ambitions. And perhaps even the mullahs themselves. Granted Washington hasn't been biting as eagerly as Sharon would like, so one can expect he's going to have to devise some more intricate string pulling.

Admittedly, there are countless precedents. One is certainly aware of Jewish responsibility for fomenting WWII. Not even Churchill, nor, ultimately FDR, could withstand the power of the Jewish cabal and eventually buckled to do their bidding.

To be sure, one cannot deny the cunning of the Zionist Likudniks and their Jewish supporters who basically fooled the US into launching Gulf War I (under the putative guise of liberating Kuwait and protecting Saudi Arabia---for otherwise, how could the Bush administration have fallen for such a transparently pro-Israel maneuver, lacking all other justification?).

No doubt, Pat and Ralph, in addition to earning kudos for their artistic interests, ought to be thanked for their unstinting efforts to put America first, to ensure that America regain the respect of her own citizens and the world, to keep America true to those values that can only ensure she return to her former greatness.

Posted by: Barry Meislin at July 1, 2004 4:31 AM

David

As in "Resentment is a synonym of/for gratitude."

Posted by: Uncle Bill at July 1, 2004 9:46 AM

Uncle Bill: That's great. I didn't know Google could do that.

In my own defense(?), let me note that I'm a lousy speller, a sloppy typist and can be a general pain in the butt, but I am not a dolt.

Posted by: David Cohen at July 1, 2004 9:53 AM

Never thought you were a dolt and didn't mean to say or even imply any such thing.

I have a tough time spelling myself out of a wet paper bag although, for some obscure reason, I know the difference between: their, there, and they're (not saying you don't :-)). Go figure.

Posted by: Uncle Bill at July 1, 2004 10:06 AM
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