August 4, 2005


Jewish extremist opens fire, killing 4 Arabs (AP, 8/04/05)

A 19-year-old Israeli soldier opened fire inside a bus Thursday, killing four Israeli Arabs before being killed by an angry mob — the deadliest attack on Arabs in Israel by a Jewish extremist since 1990. [....]

Israel Radio said the gunman was bludgeoned to death by an angry crowd. After the attack, the gunman's body was seen on the floor of the bus. Police had covered his head with a black plastic bag. His shirtless upper torso was heavily bruised and bloodied.

Posted by Orrin Judd at August 4, 2005 8:00 PM

The terrorist is, apparently, a follower of Bart's personal hero, another racist terrorist.

Posted by: David Cohen at August 4, 2005 8:08 PM

Undoubtedly, like my old babysitter and friend, Barry, he was driven to it by the savagery of the Muslims and the pusillanimous actions of the Israeli government.

Posted by: bart at August 4, 2005 8:32 PM

As long as we've established that such things can be justified by the actions of the Israeli government....

Posted by: Yassir Arafat at August 4, 2005 8:47 PM

how convenient this horrible event is, for scoring cheap points off bart. but of course you all "care" so it's all right.

Posted by: cjm at August 4, 2005 9:44 PM

Cheap? That one was exquisite.

Posted by: oj at August 4, 2005 9:50 PM

maybe from the perspective of the gutter

Posted by: cjm at August 4, 2005 10:24 PM

If you guys are going to be bigots you can't also be so thin-skinned.

Posted by: oj at August 4, 2005 11:10 PM

i am not a bigot, and not particularly thin skinned. bart says things that are over the top but at least he doesn't stink up the place with faux morality. five people lost their lives in an "equisite" way, enjoy your "triumph". care to quote the scripture that covers reveling in the slaughter of innocents ?

Posted by: cjm at August 4, 2005 11:42 PM

Heck, we crucified the Innocent.

Posted by: oj at August 4, 2005 11:51 PM

c: I have no idea what you're talking about. The murderer here is a follower of Meir Kahane, a dead Jewish racist and terror-sponsor who Bart has previously made clear is one of his personal heroes -- his words, not mine. The "Barry" who Bart refers to as his friend in the comment above is a murderer who shot dead people praying at a Mosque. These terrorists and those who support them, even if only by lauding them, are a blight upon Judaism and need to be called out on it. People claim that Muslims need to be more active in condemning the terrorists among them. This is, in small part, what it looks like to do so.

Now, Bart's has been a long-time commenter around here and sometimes says witty things and makes incisive comments. He is also a vile racist, though you might not know that because oj and I, to a lesser extent, police his comments. He regularly calls for genocide and he lauds murderers. How much leeway should we give him, even taking into account that I sincerely believe that he is mentally ill?

Posted by: David Cohen at August 4, 2005 11:58 PM

Maybe this Israeli soldier thought someone was about to detonate...?

Posted by: geoff at August 4, 2005 11:59 PM

you can criticize bart without dragging these poor people into it. i like almost everyone here, yourself included, and can honestly say i am a better person for coming here. it pains me to see the venom being passed back and forth but don't really have any idea how to change thes battle lines, or even if it is my place to do so. life is the most precious gift imaginable and the gratuitous taking of it is the most heinous of acts.

oj: that's a cop out and you know it. drop the "we" crap and tell me that Jesus would approve of the things you said here, tell me He would place you higher than another as you yourself have.

Posted by: cjm at August 5, 2005 12:09 AM

the first paragraph above was meant to be addressed to david c.

Posted by: cjm at August 5, 2005 12:11 AM

Higher than whom?

Posted by: oj at August 5, 2005 12:13 AM

I would think that the angry crowd should be applauded for carrying out, what Bart has occasionally recommended as appropriate response to such violent behavior. After all they could have runaway blaming themselves for the actions of the obviously deranged young man.

As far as Kahane is concerned, well it was called a DEFENSE league after all.

Posted by: h-man at August 5, 2005 5:25 AM

Rather than "deranged", maybe I should say "indisciplined". Wouldn't want to make an inappropriate value judgement.

Posted by: h-man at August 5, 2005 6:11 AM

Why no post about the wayward rocket the day before that killed the Palestinian tot?

Why are some murders more equal than other murders?

Posted by: Harry Eagar at August 5, 2005 3:33 PM


Who fired the rocket?

Posted by: jim hamlen at August 5, 2005 3:56 PM


Posted by: oj at August 5, 2005 4:50 PM

Bart has made some very amusing and incisive comments, but I must be suspect of his mental health when he even entertains the notion of relocating to France.

Posted by: erp at August 5, 2005 5:46 PM

Allegedly, Palestinian terrorists

Posted by: Harry Eagar at August 5, 2005 7:52 PM



A Palestinian civil war would probably get one front page in most US papers (and one lead on the evening news), and then it would drop like a stone, even if both sides started slaughtering women and children. Kind of like the Iran-Iraq war, or the Lebanese civil war, which only became "big" news when Begin sent the IDF north.

How many Palestinians have died from 'celebratory' gunfire in the past 18 years? My guess would be at least 200, but does that make the news? No.

Posted by: jim hamlen at August 5, 2005 11:17 PM

Why are some murders more equal than other murders?

You're the journalist, Harry, so you should tell us. Generally, I would think that this is something of a man bites dog story; the msm is always looking to counterbalance their Palestinian terrorist kills Israeli stories; and the American public cares about Jews and Israelis more than we care about Palestinians, who we think pretty much have it coming.

Posted by: David Cohen at August 6, 2005 12:50 PM

I didn't ask why the wires didn't carry the other story. They did. That's how I knew about it.

I asked why the other story didn't deserve a post here.

The other story was, in my understanding, more significant of the political developments than the bus shooting. Unless you think Kach is going to be doing this regularly.

Posted by: Harry Eagar at August 7, 2005 2:30 PM


No, neither of the terrorist acts is significant in itself. The story is how the passengers on the bus reacted.

Posted by: oj at August 7, 2005 3:38 PM