February 22, 2004
UMM, BUT OF COURSE WE MUSTN’T PRE-JUDGE THE VERDICT:
Ruling on the Barrier (Claire Cavanaugh, Radio Netherlands, 13/02/04)
At the urging of the Palestinians, the UN General Assembly has asked the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague to rule on Israel's construction of the controversial security barrier through Palestinian territory.While Israel's announcement that it will boycott the ICJ hearing has surprised few, there's been more attention for the level of international criticism about the case being heard at all. The United States and European Union have both questioned the international court's jurisdiction to rule on the issue.
In this interview with Radio Netherlands, International Law expert André Nollkaemper of the University of Amsterdam explains why some parties feel the ICJ is not the right venue for this kind of case.
"...The states concerned have advanced two arguments basically. One is the strictly legal one - and I believe that is the argument of Israel - that this is an internal conflict in Israel, and by [giving] an advisory opinion the court would in essence determine a specific legal conflict."
"The other, more political background of the position of the US and the European Union, I believe, is that these states see a danger for the General Assembly to ask very general politically laden questions to the court, and then the court would become a political actor, which it was not designed to be."
RN: "Are you saying the court can never rule on politically sensitive issues?"
"Well, a particularly good precedent is the advice by the International Court of Justice in 1996 on the legality of nuclear weapons, when the General Assembly asked the court to give advice on whether the possession and use of nuclear weapons is legal. At the time, the US and the EU also took the position that this was not a question for the court to answer."
"And, of course, in the present timeframe one could think of the possibility that the Assembly would ask a question about the legality of the use of force in Iraq, for instance. And clearly that's something which both Europe and the United States would not wish to see."
RN: "What do you make of this kind of face-off between international law and politics?"
"[...] the fact that a legal conflict may have political ramifications does not mean that the court could not rule on the narrow legal issue. The court is very well able to distinguish between the legal aspects of the case and the political aspects of the case. The General Assembly has in October already adopted the position stating clearly that the building of the wall was in violation of international law."
"Personally, I can see only benefits from the court's giving a well-argued advice that supports that argument by the General Assembly, finding that the building of the wall is illegal, and then that could be a useful argument for a further political resolution of the conflict. Of course, it would not solve the conflict, but it could be one stepping stone on which the parties could find common ground for a further political resolution."
RN: "The International Court of Justice's decisions are non-binding. So Israel wouldn't have to remove one centimetre of this wall if the court ruled against it."
"That's very true, and we should not overestimate the legal impact of an opinion by the court. Nonetheless, it would confirm the widely held belief that the way the wall has been built now is illegal. Again, that would be one point on which the parties could find each other, and then use that as a basis for further political negotiations."
As Israel mourns yet more victims of barbarity, the cognoscenti continue to wage their abstract, corrupt war on behalf of darkness. The US, Europe and Canada are all opposed to this hearing and are expected to express their opposition by shunning it. Can victories in the war on terrorism ultimately prevail over the losses civilization is taking in the war of ideas?
Posted by Peter Burnet at February 22, 2004 10:50 AMI would like to know **exactly** what law Israel has violated which would make the fence illegal.
Posted by: jd watson at February 22, 2004 11:19 AMThe UN needs to have all illegitimate governments thrown out before it can be taken seriously. As it's membership currently stands it is badly flawed. This could be a position GW's UN representative could propose in 2006 and another reason we need him to win in November.
Posted by: Genecis at February 22, 2004 1:45 PM"The US, Europe and Canada are all opposed to this hearing and are expected to express their opposition by shunning it. Can victories in the war on terrorism ultimately prevail over the losses civilization is taking in the war of ideas?"
It seems to me that having Canada and the EU join us in boycotting this kangaroo court is a *victory* in the war of ideas - one I'd never have expected even a year ago.
The ICC has just taken another step towards becoming an irrelevant third-world playground. That's a good thing.
Posted by: ralph phelan at February 22, 2004 3:39 PMI wonder what the court thinks of the wall currently being built by the Saudis against the Yemeni. Is that a wall that the court should consider?
Personally think the court is a crock and should be disbanded until there really is a true code of laws and a mechanism for running the court, appealing the decisions, carrying out the decisions of the court. As it stands all the court can do is say "naughty naughty" and that is not going to do anything to anyone who wants to do something.
Posted by: dick thompson at February 22, 2004 4:16 PMralph:
Europe is opposed because it is worried about precedent and it is making it clear every five minutes that it has nothing to do with backing Israel. Canada will back anything the U.S. and Europe agree on, which it probably should. But is it wise to just walk away and let it all happen?
Posted by: Peter B at February 22, 2004 6:18 PMI believe it was Andrew Jackson who said,in reference to a supreme court decision in favor of indian tribes: "The Justice has made his decision; let us see him enforce it."
Posted by: mike earl at February 22, 2004 10:02 PMYou know how much a high rise condo building at 42nd and the east river would be worth?
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at February 22, 2004 10:27 PM