October 21, 2003
DOWN TO TWO (OR ONE):
Early Primary Predictions Are Anyone's Guess (Charlie Cook, Oct. 21, 2003, NationalJournal.com)
Suffice it to say that Dean and Gephardt are locked into a close fight for first place in Iowa, with Kerry in third -- though how close he is to the front-runners is a matter of some dispute. No one else is a significant factor in the state.In New Hampshire, both polls agreed that Dean was the overwhelming favorite, with Kerry in second place and Clark in third. It should be kept in mind, however, that New Hampshire results are sometimes by what happens in Iowa. In the Bread for the World survey, Dean had 33 percent, and Kerry came in second with 18 percent. It is worth noting the obvious: Both men are from neighboring states. Clark came in third with 9 percent, while Lieberman was fourth with 6 percent. In the Democracy Corps survey, Dean had a whopping 38 percent of the vote, with Kerry in second with 21 percent, Clark third with 11 percent and Gephardt fourth with 8 percent.
It was the Democracy Corps poll in South Carolina that was the most interesting, perhaps because we have seen less polling in the Palmetto State than in Iowa and New Hampshire. In South Carolina, Sen. John Edwards -- who hails from neighboring North Carolina -- held the first place slot with 14 percent, but Gephardt was just a point behind at 13 percent, with Clark another point behind him at 12 percent. Lieberman was in fourth place at 11 percent, Dean was tied for fifth place with the Rev. Al Sharpton at 10 percent, and the rest of the field was in single digits.
The only clear conclusion from these data is that Dean is in a formidable position in New Hampshire, but locked into either a two- or three-way fight in Iowa. In South Carolina, the race looks wide open, with Edwards possibly ahead but four other candidates within four points of first place. It is the very definition of a wide-open contest.
The idea that a candidate who doesn't finish on the radar screen in IA or NH is then going to win SC or anywhere else just seems ridiculous. If Gephardt can pull out IA, he's the opposition to Dean. If not, Dean is home free. Unless, of course, another candidate gets in the race... Posted by Orrin Judd at October 21, 2003 10:16 PM
January is a long way off, and these polls merely give hope to those who show well. Suppose WMD and Saddam are found by Christmas. Wouldn't that put a damper on Dean ?
Posted by: Michael Herdegen at October 22, 2003 3:38 AMIf God etched a tablet that said "Vote for Joe" it wouldn't slow Dean. The Party is being led by its hate.
Posted by: oj at October 22, 2003 7:50 AMOJ - given your posts about religion and the parties if God said vote for Joe the Dems would vote against Joe.
Posted by: AWW at October 22, 2003 8:05 AMAnd demand that seniors be allowed to buy generic tablets from Canada.
Posted by: oj at October 22, 2003 8:36 AMSpeaking of the NH primary - I'm thinking of cross-registering and voting in the Democratic primary, but I can't decide how to vote. Who do you think has more comedic value, Sharpton or Kucinich?
Posted by: Ralph Phelan at October 22, 2003 3:30 PMLaRouche
Posted by: oj at October 22, 2003 3:53 PMI disagree. Dean may have a lot of vocal support, but trust me, many moderates Democrats have a boiling intolerance for the man and simply looking for a champion. The real story is who that person will turn out to be. The first few primaries will simply shake up ont he field and show who has softer or harder support that expected, and then a mass of people will rally to a single anti-Dean candidate. Could be Clark, Lieberman, or Kerry. It won't be Gephardt. The party will reject the guy who couldn't win back Congress.
Posted by: Chris Durnell at October 22, 2003 5:59 PMChris:
Gephardt has biffed the race so badly that he might even be able to play up an IA win as an upset and finish a strong second to Dean in NH. That would position him and his protectionist message well in SC.
Posted by: oj at October 22, 2003 6:28 PM